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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Grass Lake Ron
I would look at two things: 1) see if anybody is having problems with the f150 transmission pulling the weight you intend to pull. 2) look long and hard at what you want to do.
Just like the 6R100, the 10R100 internals are not comparable to the F150 transmission. F150 is a 10R80.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
Just like the 6R100, the 10R100 internals are not comparable to the F150 transmission. F150 is a 10R80.
That was the lemon lawsuit one, the 10r100 is on the 23's.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...23-10r100.html
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 12:46 PM
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I suspect the 6.8L with the 10R100 will prove to be a reliable and sufficient combination especially considering this combo will be used by most cost-conscious Fleet and commercial customers.

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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Grass Lake Ron
That was the lemon lawsuit one, the 10r100 is on the 23's.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...23-10r100.html
I was pointing out that the 10R100 is not comparable to the F150 10R80 transmission. Just like the lighter duty 6R100, the light duty 10R100 is a SuperDuty transmission with very little in common with the F150 transmission.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
I cant imagine any noticable difference in performance between the 6.8L and 7.3L with a ten speed behind them, unless Ford really changes the 10R100 ratios drastically.
The ratios are different but, not drastically different. They're very similar.

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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rdrcr
The ratios are different but, not drastically different. They're very similar.

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Just checked the ratios, I highly doubt there will be any drivability difference between the two. We know the power numbers are going to be better than the 6.2L. Id sure save the $1700 and go for the 6.8L in a work truck.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 02:14 PM
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^^^^
I think the 6.8L would be a more tempting/popular option if it was offered on higher trim levels. For a work truck, I'd save the $1,700 too.

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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
I was pointing out that the 10R100 is not comparable to the F150 10R80 transmission. Just like the lighter duty 6R100, the light duty 10R100 is a SuperDuty transmission with very little in common with the F150 transmission.
I spent a few hours on trying to find the difference between the two. Couldn't find enough information either way. I sent an email to Mike at the Livonia Transmission Plant. If I get any I will post it. Thank you for getting me to start looking for more information.

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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 05:11 PM
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I would like to see a 6.8 in an F150
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
I'd say couple it with the 7.3L forum. Only being offered in the XL I can't imagine enough users are going to have this engine to warrant its own forum. $1700 less than the 7.3L option, id keep the $1700 and take the 6.8L/10R100 over the 7.3L/10R140. I will put money down that in identical trucks you wouldn't even notice the difference between the two powertrains. I know I don't notice a difference between the 6.2L/10R140 and 7.3L/10R140 in the F350 fleet trucks I've driven.
I didn't know that Ford offered the 6.2 with the 10 speed trans. I thought they were only offered with the old tried and true 6 speed trans. And that was one of the main reasons Ford was doing away with the 6.2 was so they could just have one transmission. At least externally speaking. I know internally would be different for gas and diesel.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 06:37 PM
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Is like to see a 6.8 in an F150
Me too, but I doubt that will happen.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OverheadCram
The great majority of the Comparisions are being made by people that only have experience with the 6 speed transmission. Not many of us can actually make a comparison between a 10spd 6.2l and 7.3l in identical trim. I ordered all 6.2L trucks after a few months drive time with both.

And I have yet to see on this site the power curve graph of the 2nd gen 6.2L 2017-2022. When comparing the 7.3L to the 6.2L I always see people posting the 1st gen 6.2L power curve. The 2nd gen 6.2L power curve is much more usable than the 1st gen and not far off from the 7.3L.

I cant imagine any noticable difference in performance between the 6.8L and 7.3L with a ten speed behind them, unless Ford really changes the 10R100 ratios drastically.
Good points there, I didn't think about the 6.2 ten speed, that being said I can't imagine zero or not very noticeable difference between the two if one was being 100% honest with themselves. Would like to have a 6.2/10 speed to compare to my 7.3 to close the book on that question .
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CheeseheadFord
Good points there, I didn't think about the 6.2 ten speed, that being said I can't imagine zero or not very noticeable difference between the two if one was being 100% honest with themselves. Would like to have a 6.2/10 speed to compare to my 7.3 to close the book on that question .
You would probably have luck renting one. I know you can definitely find an XL model 6.2L/10R140 as a rental, might be hard to find a 7.3L/10R140 in comparable trim as a rental though.

I used both powertrains to tow the same load on the same route for a few months. Same transmission gear and same RPMs (+ or - a few hundred) to pull the same grades between them. Give me both trucks in identical trim blindly and I honestly would not be able to differentiate the 6.2L from the 7.3L by drivability alone.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 08:55 AM
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You would probably have luck renting one. I know you can definitely find an XL model 6.2L/10R140 as a rental, might be hard to find a 7.3L/10R140 in comparable trim as a rental though.

I used both powertrains to tow the same load on the same route for a few months. Same transmission gear and same RPMs (+ or - a few hundred) to pull the same grades between them. Give me both trucks in identical trim blindly and I honestly would not be able to differentiate the 6.2L from the 7.3L by drivability alone.
I'm not THAT interested in seeing . I have a 7.3, just had doubts based on what I've read that there's not much difference. But I had not thought of the point of the 10 speed, which would help the 6.2 out some.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CheeseheadFord
I'm not THAT interested in seeing . I have a 7.3, just had doubts based on what I've read that there's not much difference. But I had not thought of the point of the 10 speed, which would help the 6.2 out some.
The 10spd is the real difference. The 6.7L powerstroke is a great example of what the 10spd has done for performance. Drive a 2019 6.7L and then drive a 2020 6.7L, no difference in engine performance but the 2020 with 10spd feels like a more powerful truck. Fortunately for myself I get to drive almost everything Class 2B - 6. Have my own fleet, own a garage that does fleet maintenance, and sub contract as a driver in my spare time. Ive also driven E series 7.3L/6R140 platforms and there is a very noticeable difference when compared to a 7.3L/10R140.
 
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