Ford is pushing for a reason. If 18,000 is max for Chevy in a gas engine why push for 22,000 in a Ford gas engine? Who are they competing against? Themselves? Most people buy a diesel pulling that much. My guess is they want to put the last of the ICE debate to rest before they both go electric. Chevy will be there before Ford will.

 

GM stated recently they plan to keep ICE in their trucks.

 

As of 3 days ago...

"“On the ICE side, this is critical because the profits from these vehicles and the rest of our ICE lineup are literally funding our future. And as we accelerate our investment in EVs, and the software defined vehicle, these ICE vehicles are critically important,” said Reuss. “Our ICE vehicle portfolio is in incredibly high demand, and helping us generate record profits to invest in an all-electric future. I want to point out that to sustain and build that demand, we are refreshing key ICE vehicles as we transition.” - GM President Mark Reuss.


INVEST IN AN ALL_ELECTRIC FUTURE

So to me those words mean they are moving to Electric..... 2024 maybe not, but how much longer?

 

I think this is it. The 7.3 was blowing every gasser away at the lower numbers, so they held some back for when the others upped their game. I'd think Chevy will be more competitive with the new trans behind the 6.6.

 

Not to wander to far off track, but just thinking weight and range here.

The battery pack in the Hummer EV is ~3k lbs and will move that truck a claimed 330 miles... then its 200+ KW to recharge... its HOURS and HOURS even with a supercharger type charger to recharge...

Looking at the weight of a 6.7 powerstroke and transmission you are at around the same weight...2750 give or take I believe it is.

It would really depend then on how Ford decided to do the electric motors(how are they doing them in the Lightning?). Eliminate the axles completely and save another 1000-1250lbs? Then run electric motors at each wheel? Or do a 3 motor setup like Tesla? The big Tesla motors/drive units weigh ~200lbs, so 3(or 4) of them and you are at about 600-800lbs...

So break even weight wise?

Then you are just down to what kind of HD suspension do you run... I guarantee they can develop a 4 wheel independent suspension that is beefy enough for SD use if they dont have to deal with CV shafts. I think thats a big down fall of the Chevy HD trucks is their independent front suspension and the limitations they have because of needing to run CV shafts. Or develop a dual motor "solid" rear axle and then run a single motor "solid" front axle and probably can run damn near the same suspension as they are now with actual some more simplicity like getting rid of the front selectable hubs... **** you could possibly run the front motor as a light generator driving down the road and recover some electricity, although its a tradeoff as that will cause drag.

Theres lots of ways to skin the cat when you have a package the size of an F250/350 to work with when you arent trying to package stuff into a sedan.

I still think range/lack of range, and everyday usefulness of EV in an HD truck isnt there yet... How many of these trucks drive out 100 miles to the oil field/pipeline/building site/logging site, etc... and idle all day to provide heat or AC for the worker? You aint doing that with an EV IMO... 500 miles of range(without resulting in a 5k lb battery pack) and 15-20 minute recharges will be a game changer in the overall EV scheme. There is a company working on a charger that has a liquid cooled cable that can push 600a DC... thats nuts. The Superchargers right now are limited to ~250a because thats all the cable will support without melting.

 

All good logic. Not trying to open a can of worms, just wondering myself. Ford and Chevy are going full steam (phun intended) to electrify everything. My only question is when. The answer lies in when they have enough money from ICE to pass the 50% mark in tech and buyers.

 

Can’t wait to see the line at the 1 EV charging station in town when that happens. The next big town is 100 miles away. Tons of RVers passing through here in the summer.

 

the receivers on these trucks actually state different weight limits. youre supposed to have weight distribution to get to the max levels. i run a 3" B&W on my '22 350 SRW, thats good for 20k i believe, receiver says 19k (again going off of memory here) but need W/D to do 19k

 

did GCVWR change for your truck vs the 2023?

 

Here is my math on in. I coule be way off but here is how I see it:

350 srw 6.7 4x4 ccsb platinum: 8200lbs
Subtract:
- 1100lbs engine
- 350lbs trans
- 150lbs transfer case
- 100lbs drive shafts
- 200lbs cooling system
- 200lbs exhaust/def system
- 250lbs fuel/fuel system
- 150lbs for something I cant think of
- 200lbs for switching to ifs/irs (personally dont think you can design an independent system that is the same strength as solid for less weight but Im giving the benefit of the doubt)

Total for just the truck minus powertrain: 5500lbs

Now lets add:
+ 5500lbs for battery with equal range to a 6.7 with 34 gal tank (3000lbs/212kwh=14.15lbs per kwh, 14.15x400kwh= ~5500lbs given it does not scale at 100%. This gives a range of mid 500's unloaded)
+ 800lbs for a quad motor/inverter/gearbox setup
+ 100 for the smaller but still significant cooling system
+ 100 for the charger

Total empty weight for the electric version: 12,000lbs

F250 with 10,000lb gvwr = -2,000lb payload
​​F350 srw with 12,000gvwr = 0lb payload
F350drw with 14,000gvwr (and added weight of drw) = 1,500lb payload

Those final numbers seem to have a problem. Tech needs to get better. This ignors all other problems related to charging.

 

I have a Weigh Safe 2.5” shank steel hitch. They’re rated at 22,000 pounds trailer weight, 2,200 pounds tongue weight with the 2-5/16” ball or pintle hitch.

 

I wonder how the exclusion plays into a electric class 3 or a class 4 truck as far as weight.

 

I don't see how you'd have enough rubber under the rear axle of a SRW to handle the pin weight of a 27k trailer.

You know the old saying, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Same deal with the 40k F-450. I'd like to see Mr Truck on TFL crap his pants trying that one.

 

you know ? freeze frame the videos put out so far. ive not seen anything new. the marketing word that they seem to be using is : upgraded. probly what they did is stuff a bigger ring gear in the old housing. if your lucky , they might of stuffed in stronger tubes as well but lets not give them engineers too much credit just yet

 

OMG. Why can't a 450 handle that?