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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EastMark
Im probably looking right at them but where is the payload numbers ? Is that improved as well ?
Originally Posted by #1bigmark
page 14 in that pdf file. It is hard to see because it mentions slide in camper. But those are payload numbers
So, they're the same. A DRW is still 14,000 lb's MGVWR.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 02:04 PM
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For my truck; F350 DRW, 6.7 CC 4x4:

- GVWR is the same at 14,000 lbs (so then payload is the same depending on actual truck weight/options)
- Bumper pull rating has been increased from 21,200 to 27,000 lbs.
- 5th wheel has dropped 100lbs from 31,300 to 31,200
- gooseneck is the same at 31,300

Interesting to be sure and the bumper pull increase is a whopping 5,800 lbs but it's all academic to me because I couldn't see towing a bumper pull trailer much larger than my current 9,995 lb GVWR trailer.....anywhere even close to 20,000 lbs and I'd be using a gooseneck or 5th wheel.


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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 02:23 PM
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I don't get the importance of these numbers.



 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
So, they're the same. A DRW is still 14,000 lb's MGVWR.
My 2010 F450 is 14500 MGVWR. What is the future giving all the derated discussion? Stepping it up to 15000 or16000 MGVWR for the Pickup?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ry Guy
The hitch receiver thing is kind of a mess and differs between model years.

2020:
  • 2.5" receiver - All F250/F350 SRW trucks (one exception below)
  • 3" receiver - DRW trucks and the F-350 SRW Crew Cab 176" WB with diesel engine
2021:
  • 2.5" receiver - All F250 trucks and F350 SRW trucks with gas engines
  • 3" receiver - DRW trucks and the F-350 SRW diesel engine trucks
2022:
  • 2.5" receiver - All F250 trucks; F350 SRW Regular Cab/SuperCab, except 164" WB with diesel engine; F-350 DRW with 6.2L engine
  • 3" receiver - F-350 SRW SuperCab 164" WB with diesel engine; F-350 SRW Crew Cab; F-350 DRW with 7.2L gas or 6.7L diesel engine; F-450
2023:
  • 2.5" receiver - All SRW trucks
  • 3" receiver - All DRW trucks
Well now it appears the 2023 towing guide now totally contradicts the 2023 order guide!

From towing guide:The following configurations have a standard 3" receiver with a 2.5" reducer and a high capacity 5/8" pin:
• F-250 equipped with Trailer Tow Package
• F-350 Single Rear Wheel Diesel 4x4 on the 160", 164", 176" WB
• F-350/F-450 Dual Rear Wheel Diesel and Gas 7.3L
All other Super Duty Pickup configurations equipped with a 2.5" receiver
So will all F-350 SRW Diesel 4x4 get 3" receivers or none of them???
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kdubinwa
Well now it appears the 2023 towing guide now totally contradicts the 2023 order guide!

From towing guide:The following configurations have a standard 3" receiver with a 2.5" reducer and a high capacity 5/8" pin:
• F-250 equipped with Trailer Tow Package
• F-350 Single Rear Wheel Diesel 4x4 on the 160", 164", 176" WB
• F-350/F-450 Dual Rear Wheel Diesel and Gas 7.3L
All other Super Duty Pickup configurations equipped with a 2.5" receiver
So will all F-350 SRW Diesel 4x4 get 3" receivers or none of them???
That's typical.... The 22 Tow Guide still has errors... If I had to choose to believe either the Tow Guide or the Order Guide, I would go with the Order Guide, but still expect that it could be wrong too... And if you need to know before you buy something for a 23, the smartest thing you can do is wait until you get the truck and then buy the thing you wanted... at least this way you will know for sure what to buy!
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 1olddogtwo
I don't get the importance of these numbers.
Bragging rights for 99% of truck owners.




 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rjacobs
My B&W 2.5" ball mount is rated to 16k lbs I believe.

The Curt forged is rated to 20k.

The ever popular B&W tow and stow is rated to 14.5k in 2.5"...

There's a few options out there at 18k.

Probably more options that are weight distributing up rated up that high.
I've been using a 17k rated ball mount (2" shank) and a 16k rated ball for over 10 years. Nothing new.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
I've been using a 17k rated ball mount (2" shank) and a 16k rated ball for over 10 years. Nothing new.
my only point was you can equip a SRW gas 350 that will tow 19.5k on the 2.5" hitch... There arent a lot of 2.5" ball mounts that are rated that high.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2022 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rjacobs
my only point was you can equip a SRW gas 350 that will tow 19.5k on the 2.5" hitch... There arent a lot of 2.5" ball mounts that are rated that high.
the only one I’ve seen is the one someone else also previously mentioned and that’s the Curt forged. 20k
 
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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
Bragging rights for 99% of truck owners.




Haha, in that case my 40K gooseneck takes a 3 inch ball!
 
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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 06:50 PM
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Biggest thing to me is that one of the most common super duty configurations, the 350 srw diesel (HO) with 18"/20" A/T's, can tow 27,000lbs now. 27,000lbs in a srw truck, not a drw.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 07:01 PM
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Kinda puts to rest the whole debate about Chevy vs Ford once and for all.....
 
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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ATC Crazy
Bragging rights for 99% of truck owners.



I mean, are those front tires even on the ground!! Wow!
 
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Old Dec 1, 2022 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Grass Lake Ron
Kinda puts to rest the whole debate about Chevy vs Ford once and for all.....
Hardly.

Maximum STATED towing numbers are usually not the most important thing. For some they are though.

reliability is more important for me.

I’m on this forum and the GM truck one and I gotta be honest, a lot more issues from users posted here. Now in fairness this forum is way more active but still.

tons of 10spd trouble thread would concern me more that towing a couple thousand more pounds possibly.
 
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