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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 11:19 AM
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GM is perfect, so perfect they were able to steal millions from taxpayers and destroy the livelihood of their white collar employees by killing their pensions and benefits yet "Americans" still buy their junk!! What a scam they pulled on us, I'm guessing they considered the fact that most Americans have very short term memories. GM is absolutely despicable! I'm sure it will be a flawless vehicle for you😂
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
To me, brand loyalty is just foolish, maybe the single worst reason to buy something this expensive. Ford pissed me off with my order, it still isn't built. Had another manufacturer made a the truck configuration I want, I would be driving it instead. I have owned all three brands, many of each. Ford's are my favorite but I have had great trucks from Chevy and Dodge too. I think taking a good look at your needs and wants then researching your choices is how the smart money is spent. None of them provide a sterling level of customer service anymore anyway. None of them have a distinct edge in quality or performance. Buying a brand because you are loyal to it? Good Luck with that.
Amen. I am brand loyal to no one, have owned all of the big 3. The Ford fit my wants and needs this time and got a good deal to boot. But I still own a 17 yr old Chevy I bought new which is now a beater truck...
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by George C
Some of you guys really make me SMH...and wonder where common sense has gone…

Ford failed?

Any business failing to keep up with demand while working with the current economic and heath challenges? LOL.
I’m sure if replacement parts were available from Dana, it would be installed in a few days.
A lack of qualified welding? No surprise.
Order isn’t arriving? See above, except add in every Ford outsource supplier.
Looking for furniture? Lazy-Boy furniture is currently 12-18 months out on order delivery.
6 months for Wolf appliances.
8 months out for Peterbilt orders.

My business had 1/3 of the staff out with Covid for two weeks straight. Still can’t depend on any order showing up complete.
Blame me for having a short staff, not delivering, closing early and upsetting customers?
Exactly! We are spoiled with years of instant gratification and need to be realistic with expectations when the whole world is in a supply/delivery crunch.
I ordered a Viking range last April. Delivery was bumped several times, and it’s now at June 2022. I expect that to get bumped again before I get it. Some Trek bikes have ETA’s in 2024 now. I settled for a couple that my shop had on order for over a year and just got in. Chip shortages won’t clear up for years. Steel shortages are insane now too.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 04:22 PM
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Exactly! We are spoiled with years of instant gratification and need to be realistic with expectations when the whole world is in a supply/delivery crunch.
I ordered a Viking range last April. Delivery was bumped several times, and it’s now at June 2022. I expect that to get bumped again before I get it. Some Trek bikes have ETA’s in 2024 now. I settled for a couple that my shop had on order for over a year and just got in. Chip shortages won’t clear up for years. Steel shortages are insane now too.
In too many cases its not a product shortage but a transportation shortage. I've heard bikes are being built but getting them to dealers in the US is a problem. I ordered a new Trek in February with an expected delivery in August. Thought I was ahead of the curve by getting it on order early. Now the expected delivery is unknown. My local bike shop is getting bikes trickling in but he never knows what is coming. The good news is they are sold as soon as they arrive. Bad news is Trek district rep said to expect fewer bikes in 2022.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by shawnee1
In too many cases its not a product shortage but a transportation shortage. I've heard bikes are being built but getting them to dealers in the US is a problem. I ordered a new Trek in February with an expected delivery in August. Thought I was ahead of the curve by getting it on order early. Now the expected delivery is unknown. My local bike shop is getting bikes trickling in but he never knows what is coming. The good news is they are sold as soon as they arrive. Bad news is Trek district rep said to expect fewer bikes in 2022.
A growing percentage of American furniture is made in Vietnam. Vietnam is shut down with Covid. Take one link out of the chain, and it all falls apart. Say what you want about Covid, but once you have it, you’ll respect it …if you survive it.
Once it arrives by container ship, how long will that ship remain anchored… waiting for a time to unload? trucking? LOL..

We are currently remodeling our kitchen. Everything ordered in July.
Windows from Pella, four months. Wolf range? possibly…possibly February 22. Thermidor Columns and dishwashers? January 22. Furnishings? Forget about it.

Just wait till Christmas if you want to see a real shortage of goods from the orient.
So be mad at Ford for a delayed order. Be thankful you get a truck at all.

Take your anger, and turn it into patience. Because there’s no one to blame.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by twobelugas
Ford should be thankful Toyota didn’t enter into the 3/4 ton up market. They keep selling 120k or so of tundras every year consistently with minimal discounts despite it being out classed on specs over ten years ago. those of us who have deal with Rams and Fords might have switched a long time ago.
So they would take over the 3/4 ton market like they took over the 1/2 ton market?
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 04:39 PM
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My thoughts exactly. My 2019 only has 25K miles on it. We only use it to camp, hunt, fish tow the TT etc. I am moving to Idaho and was thinking maybe I will get a new rig. NOPE I dont want to do all the stuff I already did to the one I have, dont know what I am getting in a new rig especially since mine has really had no issues except for peeling headlights, replace under warranty, roof weather strip detached, replaced under warrant, didn’t do the tailgate as its never opened on its own and dont want them to spaghetti the wiring but that’s been it.

I will go to 99K and then trade or sell it. By then in 6 more or years maybe they will have the covid thing, chip thing in order. Wishful thinking!
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 05:47 PM
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Well I am brand loyal, it just work around their short comings. Heinz ketchup. Calder's milk. Ruger revolvers. AMD processors. Ford trucks.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Split rims
Recalls happen.
It's how the seller handles the problem that makes the difference.
The book called "The Toyota Way" explains how to get manufacturing moving, out the door, with QC on the line. If QC misses something, deal with it later.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 08:40 PM
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Sorry to hear your issues, but don't forget that chevy couldn't make a truck with a good transmission as recently as 2015-2016. 5 guys at work had one, and all five got rid of them for that torque converter -transmission issue.

Nearly all 8 speeds seemed to be affected.

And by chevy, I mean gm/chevy/gmc.

It's a crying shame that they messed up that bad for that long on their 8 speed truck trans.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 08:46 PM
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I'd not own a chevy, neither truck nor car.
Regardless, I also would have just welded the pee out of the rear end myself and been done with it. Probably would have done what others have said, get an approved vendor to do the work, stay in warranty.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by George C
Common sense again…
Ford can not do that because they open themselves up to complete liability of failure by outsourcing the job to someone out of their corporate control.
Hypothetically…Billy Joe may be a great welder, but he didn’t do an axle job correctly at Billy Joe’s welding…, and the failure cost a life..
I hear what you're saying, but if there's a will there's a will-there's a way. A dealer could have figured-out a way to make it work and still comply with corporate (lawyer involvement). At a minimum the owner/buyer should be compensated for time without the truck. When we're spending up to MSRP (sometimes over), we should have assurances that we won't be without a truck for any extended period of time.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 09:37 PM
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They should be just replacing the complete axle assemblies and recouping the money from Dana.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2021 | 10:09 PM
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I just find it odd that whoever Dana gets their axle tubes from decided to make an axle out of the same material, but make it thinner and expect the same capacity out of it. In the aviation world, we use steel repair angles because you can use thinner material for the repair but it will be stronger than thicker aluminum. Mainly because of existing fastener locations and holes falling out in the radius of the new aluminum angle. Thus the thinner steel angle. Heat treating and diff alloys can yield a stronger axle tube. However it doesn't seem like they did this. I got T boned on June 25th in my 21 f250. It took 2.5 months to get new rear axle parts. I finally got my truck back 2 days ago. New axle, bedside, wheel tail light, bumper. My rental truck, Chevy crew cab from hertz. The final bill was 7950$. Insurance is going to reimburse me. Almost 8K just for a rental. The dealer that had my truck has 9 other super duties that got in wrecks. He told me some of these will prob be here 6 months or more for parts.
What are we supposed to do while the manufacturer for our vehicle can't get parts or a repair for 6 months. I know it's hard for everyone.
Given the choice, I prob would be selling and getting something diff. I can always go back to ford in a couple years if I want.
 
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Old Oct 3, 2021 | 12:17 AM
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I just find it odd that whoever Dana gets their axle tubes from decided to make an axle out of the same material, but make it thinner and expect the same capacity out of it..
That indeed would been quite odd. If that had happened.

But that isn't what happened.

Dana DESIGNED the differences in axle tube thickness on PURPOSE, for light weighting.







 
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