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Old Jul 18, 2021 | 09:14 AM
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If that 91 Bronco didnt have a E4OD in it, you will be in same boat, with no pedal, look on your driver door, of your truck, and post what it says Trans code is, see below where it is.

 
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Old Jul 18, 2021 | 01:59 PM
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Thanks again for your help. The truck is in Syracuse at the shop. I can't get the door code today. If the replacement ECU doesn't work. I'll know what to look for, thanks. Idk why they say it had to be flashed, if it's just plug and play.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2021 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron in NY
Thanks again for your help. The truck is in Syracuse at the shop. I can't get the door code today. If the replacement ECU doesn't work. I'll know what to look for, thanks. Idk why they say it had to be flashed, if it's just plug and play.
there are technically differences in computer calibrations from year to year, engine to engine, but the changes are so small or aren’t ones that affect drive ability or the engine parameters allow it to compensate with sensor values so that it doesn’t functionally change in performance. That’s likely what your situation is where the ecm Probably works fine but it’s technically different. Not gonna hurt to flash just may not be necessary

a dealership is **** where they likely wouldn’t even consider flashing a used pcm, even tho they are fully capable
 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 07:11 AM
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I don't recommend you do that YET. Open the old one and check those capacitors first. If you choose to go ahead with the shotgun approach, buy it locally so you have a warranty and can exchange it without sending it back to someone. Different years and configurations i.e. auto/manual etc. etc.determine the correct ECM. Our 91's are the cut off year for the next generation trucks when changes were made.
AN update on this nightmare. 6 weeks in the trans shop and they are now waving the white flag. They are giving it back to me as is. They dropped the price on the whole job, but I get no warranty. The truck has new trans, new ECM, new abs module, new speed sensor, new wiring all to and from the trans. It still won't shift smoothly, and stays in third when it comes to a stop. They say it's a wiring issue beyond their ability. It's not receiving correct signals, whatever that means. I watched a YouTube video that points me to electronics behind the dash. But this truck does not have a digital dash, so idk. They swear they tested and checked the trans and it's not the issue. Do you know of any other components in the system that is responsible for trans
 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 06:07 PM
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Get Forscan from www.forscan.org. Once you have it connected you can watch vehicle speed as the PCM sees it. That should tell the story.

The vehicle speed sensor sends a signal to the PSOM (Programmable Speedometer/Odometer Module) which converts that to vehicle speed and sends it to the PCM. If the PSOM has a problem shifting is affected.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
Get Forscan from www.forscan.org. Once you have it connected you can watch vehicle speed as the PCM sees it. That should tell the story.

The vehicle speed sensor sends a signal to the PSOM (Programmable Speedometer/Odometer Module) which converts that to vehicle speed and sends it to the PCM. If the PSOM has a problem shifting is affected.
Thanks for your input. When I get the truck back. I'll do as you suggest. The only issue is my gauge set are all mechanical, no PSOM.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
Get Forscan from www.forscan.org. Once you have it connected you can watch vehicle speed as the PCM sees it. That should tell the story.

The vehicle speed sensor sends a signal to the PSOM (Programmable Speedometer/Odometer Module) which converts that to vehicle speed and sends it to the PCM. If the PSOM has a problem shifting is affected.
And how is Forscan going to connect to an OBDI 1991 EEC-IV ?
 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 08:22 PM
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And how is Forscan going to connect to an OBDI 1991 EEC-IV ?
Excellent point! I totally missed that. It will not.
 
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Originally Posted by Ron in NY
The truck has new trans, new ECM, new abs module, new speed sensor, new wiring all to and from the trans. It still won't shift smoothly, and stays in third when it comes to a stop. They say it's a wiring issue beyond their ability. It's not receiving correct signals, whatever that means. They swear they tested and checked the trans and it's not the issue. Do you know of any other components in the system that is responsible for trans
Are there any LED tail lights in the truck?
Is there a trailer hitch/trailer lights wired in the back?

I think your going to have to get comfortable reading electrical schematics, and also get a copy of the E4OD ATSG manual, there are a few trouble shooting tips in there.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 10:12 PM
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As an example, here are some trouble shooting tips that may help you from the ATSG manual:


 
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Lets get back to basics. Maybe you have a bad ground, or no ground.
I'm not sure how the trans is grounded, but maybe, just maybe its a bad/no ground issue.

 
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Old Aug 4, 2021 | 10:37 PM
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Have you done the EEC-IV Self Test/Quick Test to retrieve error codes?
I don't think there was any mention of that above.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2021 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by wwhite
Have you done the EEC-IV Self Test/Quick Test to retrieve error codes?
I don't think there was any mention of that above.
I can't thank Everyone for your help with this nightmare. Here's a curve ball. They called yesterday afternoon and told me they actually located a wire harness above the transfer case that had two more broken wires. Once they repaired those wires the truck drives and shifts as it's supposed too. I am amazed that it took 6 weeks and numerous parts to get this repaired. Once again I really appreciate all the support. I learned alot from this experience.
 
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