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@ford390gashog Ah, he didn't mention that. That makes sense too. I'm not picky, it isn't like I have to always purchase the Very Best, but it is important that I don't have to practically disassemble the engine or whatever all over again because of some POS part.
As a preventative measure - I will replace batteries before they go dead. Always keep my truck on a tender 24/7 since it is not my daily driver. Load test it once or twice a year along with topping off each cell as needed on occasion. Just passed the 3 year mark and no corrosion or leaks. I will eventually replace them both with the same battery the OP used. Walmart's are everywhere and can get a replacement just about anytime if/when needed.
This is gettting off the OPs question and more into maintenance, but what kills batteries long before their potential life expectancy is even close to being reached is chronic undercharging. The constant drain that modern cars and trucks place on them leaves them very prone to permanent sulfation, what happens is the soft paste that builds on the plates in normal use is no longer easily converted back and forth into the electrolyte. Heat or high temperatures accelerates self-discharge too. It just means a permanent lloss of performance and current capacity. So testing a battery periodically will give you a heads up. Better than being stranded in a parking lot. They can and do fail with no warning, still.
The first step is to measure the battery voltage, but the "surface charge" needs to be removed to get an accurate reading. If the truck has been recently driven it might read over 13 volts. With the engine off turn the headlights on for 5 minutes, turn them off, and wait at least 10 minutes before measuring the votlage right at the battery posts.
There is a correction factor applied for the ambient temperature, but a standard lead-acid battery - the kind with filler caps to add water - are fully charged when they measure 12.65 volts. A sealed "maintenance free" battery is fully charged at 12.80 volts volts. Some of the high speed AGM and other batts may float a little higher or lower. Charge it up if necessary (most likely ... yes) and repeat the test. Note that while the voltage might be reading 100%, it still needs a bit of time on the charger - amperes - to replace the capacity.
If the OCV won't "bounce back" after charging, it might sulfated up a bit. Light sulfation can be removed by running the battery down (leave the lights on for maybe an hour and run it down to about a 50% charge to maybe 12.2 volts or so and re-charge for 24 to 48 hours at a low current rate. This works good. "Dumb" chargers have their place for things like this, the Shumacher 2/6 amp units that were sold for years.
The Battery Tenders are real good too, if a charged battery is "floated" at 13.2 in the off season it will take a very thorough deep charge over the course of weeks and months. Keep in mind if there is a heavy parasitic load a float charger is not enough to compensate this. Always disconnect the battery completely from the truck for long term storage when possible.
Check your Operator's Manual for any special jiggery-pokery or contortions that may be required as a result of disconnecting the battery and follow it exactly as described. In years past losing the radio presets was about the worst that could happen when disconnecting a battery. Not necessarily the case anymore. In certain luxury models a trip to the dealer is necessary, scan tool is required. A/C inop, windows won't roll down, crazy stuff.
I suspect that my 4 1/2 year old Motorcraft battery needs replacing - I was waxing the truck about a month ago with the stereo playing (like I usually do) and the battery completely discharged - I had to get a jump start to get things running again (this is on my 2013, F250, 6.2L gasser).
I haven't gotten around to getting a new battery - everything has been running fine ever since the jump start. However, today the "Service Engine Soon" idiot light came on. I just had oil & filter change and the Ford dealer's once over inspection a couple of weeks ago - so, all the fluid levels are good and the oil is new. My question is, does the onboard engine monitor that trips the SES light keep track of the strength of the battery? Can it tell if a battery is about to fail?
See previous post. A jump start is basically just an emergency procedure designed to get you off the side of the road, and back home - to your battery charger. A dead battery may be permanently damaged, aka "shorted cell" and defective. Not always, but it's possible.
The alternator in practice can't really effectively charge a battery thoroughly. A bicycle pump for a tractor tire. (OK, not that bad, but you get the idea) Armed with a voltmeter and a few simple tests it is possible to gauge battery health pretty effectively without special equipment. A cranking voltage test isn't as torturous as a carbon pile load tester but if the battery fails this test in your truck, it's time to break out the bagpipes for that battery.
When you are certain the battery is serviceable and charged, then test the alternator output when it is energized and under load with lights and accessories on, AC, heater running etc. Run the engine RPM up to around 2000 or so and hold it there, and measure voltage directly at the battery posts.
I suspect that my 4 1/2 year old Motorcraft battery needs replacing - I was waxing the truck about a month ago with the stereo playing (like I usually do) and the battery completely discharged - I had to get a jump start to get things running again (this is on my 2013, F250, 6.2L gasser).
I haven't gotten around to getting a new battery - everything has been running fine ever since the jump start. However, today the "Service Engine Soon" idiot light came on. I just had oil & filter change and the Ford dealer's once over inspection a couple of weeks ago - so, all the fluid levels are good and the oil is new. My question is, does the onboard engine monitor that trips the SES light keep track of the strength of the battery? Can it tell if a battery is about to fail?
The SES does not track battery life. When my battery last died and required replacing, there was no prior warning.
The SES does not track battery life. When my battery last died and required replacing, there was no prior warning.
Steve
Thanx for the feedback. I need to get off my backside and replace the battery - I'm sure it will give out when I'm driving on a highway out in the middle of nowhere.
Regarding my SES light coming on, I dug out my SCT X4 tuner/DTIC code reader and hooked it up - it showed code P0442 : "Evaporative Emissions Control System leak", which turned out to be a loose gas cap. I cleared the code with the X4 and everything is behaving OK now.
Dang, you sure have to get high tech to clear the warning lights these days. About 25 years ago I had a little Chevy S10 and it had a "Gas Cap" light that would display if it was loose - you would tighten the cap and drive a couple of miles and the light would turn off.
My own vehicles, and company trucks yet a new battery at the 3 year old mark, regardless of how well they maybe still working. Being stranded sucks! My employees being stranded, sucks even more. In the old days pickup trucks were most often a manual transmission, so chances were good you could bump start it. Nowadays most are automatic transmissions, so you are simply screwed. After an employee of mine walked 9 hours to get to where she could make a cell phone call finally about 10 years ago, I don't chance it.
I just thought I would let you know how nice it was to check my oil today and not see a slimy layer of oily battery residue or green and white crap growing all over the neg clamp and hold down
I just thought I would let you know how nice it was to check my oil today and not see a slimy layer of oily battery residue or green and white crap growing all over the neg clamp and hold down
so I have to ask...the legions of battery acid soaked super duty batteries from 2011? on, the corroded hold downs, the green gia pet terminals, numerous threads by fit to be tied apoplectic aluma duty new owners with $80,000 trucks with leaking batteries....trips to dealers chewing out service departments....
was it because the Motorcraft batteries were overfilled at the factory and all that crap seeped out when they warmed up etc
or they just plain leaked like a seive
or both
so I have to ask...the legions of battery acid soaked super duty batteries from 2011? on, the corroded hold downs, the green gia pet terminals, numerous threads by fit to be tied apoplectic aluma duty new owners with $80,000 trucks with leaking batteries....trips to dealers chewing out service departments....
was it because the Motorcraft batteries were overfilled at the factory and all that crap seeped out when they warmed up etc
or they just plain leaked like a seive
or both
All batteries will gas (acid vapor escaping when charging) when they get old because they are trying to get to full charge but they can no longer get to full charge because of age. All flooded cell lead acid batteries will degrade a small amount every time you start your vehicle so if you start and stop a lot the batteries won't last as long, it's just the nature of the things. Charging your battery with a external charger isn't necessary unless you do use the vehicle very often. I would go through a battery every 3 years on my service trucks because of all the starting and stopping.
Moderate outgassing of a lead-acid battery is normal and expected, has nothing to do with age.
In fact a battery will never even approach a full charge without gassing. It does need to be minimized, however. This is one reason why a battery charger or the charging amp rate should always be "sized" to the capacity of the battery being charged. A small micro-amp wall wart can fully charge a 950 CCA battery, but it takes a week and a half to do it, and it will be outgassing excessively the whole time and lose water. Those large 50 amp chargers on the other hand, will provide a boost charge very quickly but they can cause the plates to buckle and heat damage.
A 12 volt dual battery system, connected in parallel is just a single large battery electrically speaking. The voltage is the same, the current capacity is doubled. When they become mismatched for whatever reason they won't accept current at the same rate, one battery will tend to hog all the current, and the other will see a higher voltage.
Both batteries need to be equalized in sort of the same way all the individual series cells in a single battery need to be equalized. The only way to do that is to use a charger with some serious current. A wall wart isn't going to cut it, about 20 amps would be a slow "trickle" charge. Either that, or charge them up one at a time.
Moderate outgassing of a lead-acid battery is normal and expected, has nothing to do with age.
In fact a battery will never even approach a full charge without gassing. It does need to be minimized, however. This is one reason why a battery charger or the charging amp rate should always be "sized" to the capacity of the battery being charged. A small micro-amp wall wart can fully charge a 950 CCA battery, but it takes a week and a half to do it, and it will be outgassing excessively the whole time and lose water. Those large 50 amp chargers on the other hand, will provide a boost charge very quickly but they can cause the plates to buckle and heat damage.
A 12 volt dual battery system, connected in parallel is just a single large battery electrically speaking. The voltage is the same, the current capacity is doubled. When they become mismatched for whatever reason they won't accept current at the same rate, one battery will tend to hog all the current, and the other will see a higher voltage.
Both batteries need to be equalized in sort of the same way all the individual series cells in a single battery need to be equalized. The only way to do that is to use a charger with some serious current. A wall wart isn't going to cut it, about 20 amps would be a slow "trickle" charge. Either that, or charge them up one at a time.
In the everyday real world if you notice you battery off gassing more than it did it's a good sign it's on its way out. So if your getting excessive corrosion buildup on you posts or hold down straps start looking for a new battery.
Off topic, but worth noting. On newer vehicles, if switching type of battery during replacement, you may need to have the alternator charging mode updated to. Not all batteries charge the same, and thus may never charge correctly once replacing them with a different type in your vehicle. It isn't a big job, but does need doing. That fancy new lithium or agm may require a different charging program than the flooded acid type you took out for example. Just something to keep in mind come battery swap time.
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