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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 12:53 PM
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51 F7 Hood repairs

Some basic stuff in replacing previous patches with better patches, trimming and tacking. Hopefully this will help out someone with patch panels.


Our shop has a new project from the local owner of a 51 Ford F7 with a Rollback body. He was driving it down the road a few months back when the Delco Remy voltage regulator on the firewall malfunctioned and resulted in an electrical fire. The heat caused some of the filler on the outside of the hood above the fire to delaminate, showing up as circles in the paint. As we sanded these defects out it was noticed that an abundance of filler (+1/4") had been used. The more we looked, the more filler we found all over the hood. In an effort to yield some weight savings, the entire outside of the hood was stripped..




In order to have free access for planishing out the Atlantic Ocean defects, the hood brace was removed from the inside...








This revealed more defects that the last shop saw as fixes, but they won't leave my shop like that....
Rather than butt weld in the proper thickness metal, a piece of about 16 gauge is slipped behind the rust hole area (from dirt accumulating between brace and hood skin) and MIG welded around the perimeter. I think we can improve on that..








In addition to that, the brace had lost it's structural integrity, so we will remake the ends..








To start our repairs, a body sweep is used to capture the lower flange profile. Note that a profile cut out of construction paper/cardboard works as well.





Verifying the panel thickness. Despite this being an early 50's truck, despite this being a BIG truck, yes, the outer sheet metal here is STILL only 19 gauge.





The affected area was cut out using an air body saw, use what you have available. Note we have no corners in the cut to help improve consistency in weld shrinkage on either side.





The flange bend line is traced from our profile template/body sweep, and bent using tipping wheel on the bead roller (since it's not a straight bend). Here test fitted to the hood..





An Ice Pick (something everyone should have if doing this type of work) is used to mark the area of the cut and more importantly, the cuts for the flanges.





Next we trim the panel on the band saw leaving 1/4" extra around our marks. Next, we use offset snips and trim the flanges to the lines scribed. And ONLY the flanges.. Then the panel is re-fitted with the flanges flush with the original, and RE-scribe the round line, this time with more force to see the mark better.

Note the scribe line has moved closer toward the flange as we located the panel correctly with flanges flush..





Fitted... panel should be as tight as you can get it to minimize any shrinking/pulling.





Flanges and outer surface are both aligned to the original first and I use TIG to tack on the exact corner on both ends to maintain this alignment.. Side note.... tacking only one end and working around to the other may shrink as you go, pulling other end down where it no longer aligns. So in this case, align both ends, tack both ends, and then progressively work your tacks side to side toward the bottom of the circle.





Note here the flange was left long on our replacement. Trying to weld it in place already trimmed to fit will invariably cause the edge to burn back, making it more difficult to weld this seam all the way to the edge. Leaving the flange on our patch long makes the outer part serve as a heat sink where this burn back effect is less of an issue. Once the welds are dressed, trim the excess using offset snips..



 
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 03:24 PM
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I like the thread so far and are you working on the waves after the patching
 
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Thanks! Yes, the main reason we stripped the filler was so we could planish out the waves and loose some weight off the hinges. The extra stuff was found along the way.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 04:49 PM
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Great work, I'm following along!
 
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Is that always the order of repair I mean patch then planish in all cases
 
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Liking this one Is there more to come?
 
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 10:48 PM
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Thanks for the comments guys!

Originally Posted by schoo
Is that always the order of repair I mean patch then planish in all cases
For as wavy as the hood is, it should be planished prior to making any patches. The areas surrounding where the patches are had been planished prior to cutting out the area. I also have a stress crack and other issues at the nose of the hood that need addressing, but I wanted to get the brace clamped back in place at the rear to stabilize everything prior to cutting that area out of the nose. Once all the repairs are made, the remainder of the hood will be completely gone over.

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Liking this one Is there more to come?
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Excellent work and documentation! You are a master craftsman!
 
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Thanks for the comments and following along!

The TIG is used to fully weld the patches in place...


Front side:





Back side, full penetration on the weld..





The weld seams are then planished and dressed. Next, the front of the hood had a stress crack adjacent to one of the rubber bumpers. To stabilize the hood prior to cutting out this area, the brace is clamped back in place..





The damaged area is cut out, a "doubler" had been used toward the front to add strength to the area, so care is used to not cut that off..








A replacement patch is cut out, bends added, and tacked in place. A plug weld ties this in with the doubler..








All trimmed and welds dressed, the hood bumper hole is re-drilled in the new patch. Then we notice a bit of filler closer to the nose of the hood (arrow). Let's remove that while we're here to see what carnage lies in wait.





Gotta love this game of dominos..





The low area needs to be bumped up, and with little room for swinging hammers, a new tool is in order. Using the South Bend "milling machine" a die is made for the outer portion..





Using a pair of C-clamp vise grips (there goes another pair) the die we made will be welded to one side, the opposite is giving a bit of a trim to better fit in the confines of the slight gap available on the inside..








I missed the action shots, but the clamping of the vise grip is used to raise the low areas. Then dressed out for a much better "filler free" lower edge for the hood.





With Mike having completed the dies to duplicate the ribs in the hood brace we did a test run on a piece of 16 Ga cold rolled steel. First upper die addresses middle rib only, way to much drawing going on to expect this out of one set of dies...








Then top die is changed out for the remainder of the ribs...








A bit of fine tuning needed, but looks like this process will work to repair the rot in the bottom of the brace ends..
 
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Old Mar 22, 2020 | 03:19 PM
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Picture of the truck we're working on....



 
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Old Mar 22, 2020 | 04:21 PM
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Love the details and tips! Keep them rolling. How did you prevent warping during the full weld process on the patch panel? Is it not a problem if enough spot welds are used? Thanks

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