Hi all-

I picked up a C600 to use around the property and haul aggregates for my never ending battles with my long gravel driveway.

Here's what I've deduced from it so far: 330md, Allison auto, 22,000 GVWR. It looks to be outfitted almost exact to a truck dmanlyr posted about in 2009 https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/989158-bought-a-c600-dump-truck-today.html

I'm also in WA (despite my user name and formerly of the Boise area).

The warranty plate is a wild card for me because I can't deduce any axle or transmission codes...I bet ND will chime in.

I have some other questions about it that I will start threads on for each topic: trans operation/maintenance, 330md distributor:FT or FE oil pump drive


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Thank you!

 

C61 = C600 Tilt Cab (gas).

C = 330 2V Medium Duty FT engine.

V = Kentucky Truck Assembly Plant.

G82711 = 1970.

W.B. 111" Wheelbase.

COLOR - Blank.*

MODEL C611 = C600 Tilt Cab (gas), 22000 lbs. GVWR

BODY 4B91: 4B = Black all Vinyl // 91 = Standard Tilt Cab

TRANS = Blank.#

AXLE = # # D = Ford-Rockwell(Timken) 7,000 lbs Capacity Front Axle.

MAX GVW LBS = 22,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

CERT NET HP = 164.

RPM = 3,800.

DSO 745097:

74 = Seattle WA Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.

5097 = Domestic Special Order number, truck ordered special by the original purchaser, not "bought off the lot."

The following were Domestic Special Orders:

*No COLOR code stamped on the Warranty Plate, truck painted a non standard color per the original purchasers order.

#No TRANS code stamped on the Warranty Plate: A special trans was installed that was not an RPO (Regular Production Order). You'll have to identify which trans it is.

# #No rear AXLE code (first two digits) stamped on the Warranty Plate. A special rear axle was installed that was not an RPO, You'll have to identify which rear axle it is.

Look for tags on the trans and rear axle or look for ID numbers cast on the trans case & rear axle housing.

There's no Domestic Special Order info available for 500 and larger series trucks, as it was discarded years ago.

 

Hello, The city of Seattle bought 3 of these trucks in 1970 from what I have gathered, I found the other one that the guy that sold me mine some time ago, With the truck setup and that box, I am betting you have the third one that I could never locate. FYI the one I did find in addition to mine was painted white by the old owner so he could tell them apart, but he only bought 2 of the 3 that were available at the auction a long time ago
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If you need any help, speak up, I have been pretty much thru mine from one end to another with the exception of paint. These are thirsty but good work horses. One year I moved about 2.5 million pounds in mine, so probably up to 6-7 million so far over the years, although last couple of years I have not had much chance to use it

 

VIN and etc codes decoded in your other thread.
(Threads merged by moderator)

 

First off, thank you ND. Your help and knowledge is much appreciated.

dmalyr- I will take you up on your help. I had a sneaking suspicion that my truck could be the sister truck to yours from Seattle City Light. What model Allison do they have? Is it the MT30 that Ford called the Transmatic? What kind of fluid/ATF do they take? I haven't had a lot of luck finding info on Allison MT30s--if I'm even on the right path.

I haven't had a lot of chance to play around with mine since I picked it up last weekend. I'm digging into the off idle stumble this weekend. This thing has been a dream to tinker with so far due to copious access to the engine with the cab tilted.

 

It come with a MT30, mine has a MT40 in it now thought. It really is the same transmission (also MT41, 42 etc same case, internal differences), just the MT30 had less clutch discs etc so it had a lesser GCWR. And yes it is a Allison and sold by Ford as a Transmatic. Dextron fluid is what they originally came with, My rebuilt MT40 is still running a newer version of the Dextron, although I also see that there are some newer synthetics out there to. Last year for these 6 speed TQ lockup in all forward gear transmissions was 1972 as a regular production option from Allison. After that they went to a lighter duty AT540 with no TQ lockup, or the heavier duty MT500/600 series with TQ lockup

Check the bakelite plate under the carb that the PVC hose hooks to, after all these years it may be eroded and/or warped. Last time I looked, Green Sales still has some NOS. Due to the way the intake manifold is cast in the carb mounting area, the car/light truck aluminum one will not work off the close, but not the same FE series.

 

Thank you, I'll give that plate a look over and thank you for the Allison info. The shifter didn't have the bezel that had the pattern on it but I lucked out and found it in the glove box. This is going to be a rookie question but this is my first encounter with a pattern that looks like this one: When I'm loaded down with gravel do I start out in the 1-2 spot and then move it to the 3-6 once 2nd gear is wrung out or will it start itself out in 1st and work its way up through the gears if I leave it in the 3-6 position?

All of the medium-heavy trucks I've ever driven were manuals, so this is my first experience with an Allison.

Thank you again dmanlyr. This is another time where I count myself fortunate to be a FTE member and be able to learn from such a helpful and experienced group.

 

This truck has a Motorcraft 2bbl 2150, I believe, on it. There is nothing going to the plate under the carb except the PCV and no hoses aside from vacuum advance leaving the distributor.

Wouldn't a 70 330MD have had a Holley or an Autolite?

I did find these tags on the transmission and next to the distributor. (The distributor area tag is hard to read even in person, but the first number is 330 upside down by bolt.)

It is a MT30 trans according to the tag

 

2150 series Motorcraft carb introduced in 1975. 1963/74's used the Auto-Lite/Motorcraft 2100 series 2V

1963/74 500 and larger series trucks with 330 M/D's could have the 2100 series 2V or a Holley 2V

 

Thank you ND. Is there anything different about the 2100's on the FT engines as opposed to what came on the FE engines? I'm buying a carb kit and the parts store guys have never even heard of a C600 let alone have it listed in their computer. I was going to ask for one for a 1970 F250 with a 360.

 

you would only use 1-2 as needed to start say on a hill

if the selection is 3-4, 3-5, 3-6 it will start in third gear and then upshift to whatever gear is allowed by the shifter position. The transmission as set up is not capable of automatically shifting thru all the gears (1-6). I rarely use 1-2, unless I am pushing 40k combined or on a steep hill

 

Same 2100 carb kit: 1963/74 Car/Truck, 1966/74 Bronco, 1969/74 Econoline / D4AZ-9A586-A (Motorcraft CT-499-D)