Well truth be told, they will wait in order to sell more 2019s...

 

That's excatly it. That's why all the PCO's craziness is allowed to go on as well, I figure. They're a business and there's still a lot of 2018-2019 inventory floating around.

Still - it's getting really hard to wait this long for info!

 

i was really wanting to wait till the 2020 with a 7.3 was available but i was impatient. The Fast lane truck was estimating 453hp and 506 ft lbs

 

Good points. A few guys have been posting in the F-150 section they are getting screaming deals on remaining 2018 trucks. The nice trim levels and colors too! Not the odd *****. Prob the same inventory issue on the SD side.

 

Its been 12 years since I bought my current 7.3, I can wait a few more months till I get a new 7.3! Ford doesn’t know who they are messing with ��!

 

Thanks to 4 years of Tundra ownership MPGs are not a big bother for me......right now...
but I'd like to see numbers on a 6.2l w/10 speed in the higher trim level and see if it's worth trading up.
Presently I'm only towing around 11.5k and the truck barely grunts. Yeah still like a young kid when I hook up and go....lol...
The 7.3l, well maybe MPGs will fare better at that load range due to c.i. not working as hard.......
just when I thought I was done upgrading.....still haven't told wife......so Shhhhhhhhhh.......just you and me and few thousand lukers...K?

 

So the current 6.2 is rated at 385-430
The new GM 6.6 is rated at 401/464

Do you really believe Ford would spend tens of millions to develop and half a billion to upgrade Windsor engine to build an engine that makes 10-15 more horsepower than their current engine that is 1.1 liters less in displacement? Relax it's going to be class leading by a wide margin. I'm thinking 425/480 is the absolute floor and the only reason we might not see 500 out of the box is for the next refresh in 2022. With DI/PI down the line we could see around 540-550

 

These don't show up on the lot until Nov/Dec. You won't see any numbers before Texas state fair in September.

 

I am not an engine designer by any means and do not know enough about engine specs to know what makes what for power. All I know is they dont have to blow it out of the water with huge numbers. Their goal here is to make a super dependable powerhouse. So i dont think we will see huge mind blowing numbers like mid 500s in torque or mid 400s in hp. After all we are all guessing at this point and no one has any facts to base their guesses on. So we will all see in a few months. Should be interesting.

 

i think the towing numbers are going to go through the roof especially for gassers so its gonna need big numbers to tow BIG trailers. not a tow-er so i dont know the numbers real well but it seems to me dodge and chevy both took a few years to meet and barely beat SD numbers this year. 40k is prolly doable for 2020 SD diesels!!!

ICEs are nearing their end. sooner than i expected but its coming. i would say this will be the last v8 ford is going to design for SDs or any vehicle for that matter. might as well shoot for the stars before there will be 1000 ft lb hybrid pickups.

 

I don't see Ford waiting until September to come out with numbers. By then, GM will be on the lots with their 6.6 which should be superior to the Ford 6.2. Too many lost sales to keep quiet.

Towing numbers I expect to be modestly above the GM and Ram, something like 36-37K tops. That is a lot of weight and needs more than marketing to be able to haul it.

 

my money is on texas state fair...the 2020 SD will be the most capable, numbers be damned. if someone wants the best there gonna have to wait till the end of the year. i cant see ford losing sales because they didnt publish numbers. anyone who follows trucks should know ford will be the best and most expensive. all three are in the same ballpark. i think it just comes down to brand, looks, price and timing because the 2020 SD is end of year

 

Everyone is so focused on the torque number. Yeah, that's great, but JUST as important, perhaps more, is the RPM at which peak torque is developed. I won't be impressed if peak torque is 500+ but it is developed at 3,500 RPM or higher. Ideally, peak torque would occur below 3,000 RPM with 80% available at 2,000 RPM. THAT is what would make the 7.3 impressive.

And it would be nice if it was SMOOTH and QUIET. We traded a 3.5 Ecoboost F150 for a 6.2 with 4.30's. Outputs between the two motors are very similar although the 6.2 needs more RPM. But, the Ecoboost was quiet and smooth at 3,500 RPM where the 6.2 is noisy and thrashy in comparison at the same RPM. Much of the allure of the diesel is the reduction in "drama" on long tows. The 7.3 needs to get part of the way there for it to be desirable.

 

Another article with no real new information. Just stoking the fires...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...gas-v8-engine/

 

Thanks for the link! I'm wondering what fuel economy will be like when unloaded and running errands etc. We tow about 8K miles per year and put about 8K unloaded. We tow a 11K 5er. Might make for a tough decision on the next truck.