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To be fair to who? Posting in an old thread is one thing, I do it to avoid making new threads, but quoting/ replying to that 3 year old post is a bit different. Not a big deal, but like I said, I'm pretty sure that after 3+ years, the guy quoted is aware. So are you saying you had a DW issue twice now in (almost) 60k miles on your F-450, or that you just have worn parts?
I didn't notice he quoted a 3 year old post. Even still... not sure its worth dragging the guy for.
anyway.
yes, death wobble twice. It'll be going in to have it looked at, but I expect the outcome to be the same as the last time. Was just in here seeing if there was an aftermarket solution so I'm not doing it every 25-30k miles.
yes, death wobble twice. It'll be going in to have it looked at, but I expect the outcome to be the same as the last time. Was just in here seeing if there was an aftermarket solution so I'm not doing it every 25-30k miles.
From reading these forums it seems that DW is much less common on the 450+ for some reason. Could just be that there are less 450 owners. I haven't experienced it, yet, on my '19 250, but the idea that some have brought up about Ford using cheap parts could be valid. These are big heavy trucks, even more so the 450+. Many of which are doing heavy work. The fact that some of these front end components are wearing so fast could point at the OEM parts not being up to the task. If or when I run into this issue, unless it's under warranty I will most likely go aftermarket. Is there much in the way of upgraded aftermarket steering components for the 450?
So much bad information here. Loose and worn components - and even bad design - none of those are good things. But almost none of those will cause real DW.
This has not been reality for my experience with DW.
2003 Jeep TJ, under 25K miles, the top bushings on my aftermarket front shocks deteriorated and crumbled apart. This resulted in a loose set of front shocks, which equaled slop and/or front end play, and it made it easy for DW to occur. Fix was also easy and inexpensive; new shock bushings and zero DW consequently.
IME, loose front end components on a straight axle with coil spring suspension is the culprit. Chasing it down can take a bit, but that's par for the course in many aspects of troubleshooting.
This has not been reality for my experience with DW.
2003 Jeep TJ, under 25K miles, the top bushings on my aftermarket front shocks deteriorated and crumbled apart. This resulted in a loose set of front shocks, which equaled slop and/or front end play, and it made it easy for DW to occur. Fix was also easy and inexpensive; new shock bushings and zero DW consequently.
IME, loose front end components on a straight axle with coil spring suspension is the culprit. Chasing it down can take a bit, but that's par for the course in many aspects of troubleshooting.
Can't argue with success, although I was careful to say "almost none", lol. Real DW occurs when the solid axle can shift side-to-side relative to the rest of the vehicle, and most importantly, relative to the frame mounted steering components. Not sure how bad shocks/shock mounts could cause that, but as I said - can't argue with success. I have identified and cured multiple cases of real DW, and it's always been the track bar or similar problem that allows that side-to-side axle movement.
Maybe its just been me but i haven't seen any reports of it happening on duallys yet. I'm at 10 k miles and have yet to even have a weird experience yet.
I had a 2016 F350 CCLB Dually and at about 70,000 miles it developed DW. Dealer replaced drag link and did an alignment and it was good to go. Almost all highway miles and about half was towing a large 5th wheel.
Sounds like the same as Ford's been doing for a few years. "The new eight-year/90,000-mile warranty covers replacement parts and labor related to a failed front suspension damper." They are all focusing on the damper (since it's a cheap band-aid).
My 2019 started the DW ON MY LAST TRIP LAST YEAR did it 5 times on way home from South Dakota to Las Vegas . I got back and took it to the dealership with 25,000 miles on it they did tsb fix and I pondered for a minute about it coming back and wasn’t too thrilled about going through that pulling my 18,000 pound fifth wheel again so traded up for a 2022 lariat DRW and so far love this truck got almost 1000 miles still waiting for the ultimate pro camera package to come from ford they had to order it because even though it was on window sticker it wasn’t with the truck. I looked at this front suspension and the diameters are larger than my 19 f350 so I hope all is well with the DW situation.
Sorry, I am waaayy late on this response. I fixed my wobble, and I've figured out it was multiple things coming together to cause the issue. First, there is some slop in my gearbox. I turned the adjustment **** on top of it to snug it up a bit, but unfortunately it will definitely need replaced fairly soon. That, combined with the other corrective actions I mentioned in my previous post made it significantly better, but I could still feel it trying to start when I hit some good bumps just right. I decided to go ahead and change out all my shocks to try that, and those things were completely shot even though they have only been on 2 years or so. Now the truck drives great and I don't get any wobble. Honestly, if someone else starts getting wobble and you haven't changed your shocks in a long time, I'd throw some new ones on first thing.
Thanks for the help and I hope you have a great 2022!
Hi there Dukke - It's been a while since your last DW related posting, is your truck still traveling well since replacing your shocks?
My F250 did its first death wobble about a month ago and the first thing I did was to replace my front shocks (Ranch RS9000s); still had a DW on the same stretch of road where I had the 1st one. So, last week I had the steering damper replaced but the 2nd time I drove on my test stretch of road, it happened again. I am now scheduled to have the track bar, bushing, and ball joint replaced next week. If that doesn't solve the problem then I'll try replacing the drag link & bushings.
I'm planning on getting new tires within the next month - did you replace your tires when you were trying to remedy the DW?
Hi there Dukke - It's been a while since your last DW related posting, is your truck still traveling well since replacing your shocks?
My F250 did its first death wobble about a month ago and the first thing I did was to replace my front shocks (Ranch RS9000s); still had a DW on the same stretch of road where I had the 1st one. So, last week I had the steering damper replaced but the 2nd time I drove on my test stretch of road, it happened again. I am now scheduled to have the track bar, bushing, and ball joint replaced next week. If that doesn't solve the problem then I'll try replacing the drag link & bushings.
I'm planning on getting new tires within the next month - did you replace your tires when you were trying to remedy the DW?
I didn't hear back from Dukke_1 but I did have the track bar, bushing, & ball joint on my truck replaced and that seems to have fixed the problem - I haven't had any DW episodes since ....
I didn't hear back from Dukke_1 but I did have the track bar, bushing, & ball joint on my truck replaced and that seems to have fixed the problem - I haven't had any DW episodes since ....
Having a castor bushing installed that increases castor to 4* or more will go a long way to preventing DW from ever happening again, even with worn bushings.
Why Ford can't increase castor is beyond me since its an easy fix, just move the tube a little bit where it mounts to the radius arm.
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