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What exactly have they done each time, and what do they plan to do this time? Also, being a 2017, what recourse is even available to necessitate an attorney?
I have a 2019 F250 and have 13,000 miles on it. I have had 5 time that this death wobble has occurred.
every time I was driving 70 to 75 and going down hill 4 to 5% grade. when I applied the breaks lightly to slow down it would start.
Once I was able to get it below 45 MPH it would stoop.
Taking the truck in to the dealership tomorrow AM.
2019 F250 with just under 42,000 miles. I've had it since August 2020. Haven't had any problems until this past week. I had read about DW prior to buying so I always keep 2 hands on the wheel when driving rough highway and crossing alot of expansion joints. I really never thought it would happen to me or I wouldn't have bought the truck.
I was driving on a rough, level, straight section of 75 in heavy traffic at about 75 MPH and it happened. Hit a couple of sections of rough concrete and my GF and daughter were just about screaming. Thank God it was a straight section because I'm not sure if I could have made much of a turn. I pulled over and everything appeared ok. Got back on the highway to go to the next exit and it happened again within 10 miles. Drove the 100 miles home on back roads with no indication of anything wrong.
So now I need to sift through the dozens of "Fixes" in an attempt to correct this. Not sure if I will ever be able to trust this truck on the highway again.
2019 F250 with just under 42,000 miles. I've had it since August 2020. Haven't had any problems until this past week. I had read about DW prior to buying so I always keep 2 hands on the wheel when driving rough highway and crossing alot of expansion joints. I really never thought it would happen to me or I wouldn't have bought the truck.
I was driving on a rough, level, straight section of 75 in heavy traffic at about 75 MPH and it happened. Hit a couple of sections of rough concrete and my GF and daughter were just about screaming. Thank God it was a straight section because I'm not sure if I could have made much of a turn. I pulled over and everything appeared ok. Got back on the highway to go to the next exit and it happened again within 10 miles. Drove the 100 miles home on back roads with no indication of anything wrong.
So now I need to sift through the dozens of "Fixes" in an attempt to correct this. Not sure if I will ever be able to trust this truck on the highway again.
It's simple. You have something worn (anything in the front end can cause it... balljoints, tierods, bushings, drag link, steering box, tires, shocks.....). Replace the worn components and it'll go away.
The problem with the DW threads is people say, "oh its this, replace this and it's fixed" or "it's a bad stabilizer, throw on a dual stabilizer and it's fixed"
It's not that simple. Every truck is different and remember that there are a bunch of components working together to keep the front end from going into a shake. If one of those items is worn, a bump will exploit the play and The shake will start...
Start by having someone move the steering wheel back and forth quickly when the truck is on the ground and stopped, and climb under there and inspect everything for play. Then jack the front end up and start checking everything.
Just my 2 cents, the dealership is worthless when it comes to this. They will do the cheapest and laziest fix, just to get you down the road far enough until the wobble will start again (but hopefully it starts again out of any warranty period so they can get you back in again for more money or a new truck)
It's simple. You have something worn (anything in the front end can cause it... balljoints, tierods, bushings, drag link, steering box, tires, shocks.....). Replace the worn components and it'll go away.
The problem with the DW threads is people say, "oh its this, replace this and it's fixed" or "it's a bad stabilizer, throw on a dual stabilizer and it's fixed"
It's not that simple. Every truck is different and remember that there are a bunch of components working together to keep the front end from going into a shake. If one of those items is worn, a bump will exploit the play and The shake will start...
Start by having someone move the steering wheel back and forth quickly when the truck is on the ground and stopped, and climb under there and inspect everything for play. Then jack the front end up and start checking everything.
Just my 2 cents, the dealership is worthless when it comes to this. They will do the cheapest and laziest fix, just to get you down the road far enough until the wobble will start again (but hopefully it starts again out of any warranty period so they can get you back in again for more money or a new truck)
Norcal,
Thanks for the reply.
You pretty much summed up my conclusions from hours of reading DW threads.
And if you guys really WANT to fix a DW problem; why go to a dealer that is going to install the same crappy parts that they remove?
Do your research, install the best parts you can find. Trak-bar, ball joints, tierod ends, etc. Get it to drive right without a steering stabilizer first……THEN install the best stabilizer you can find.
all my dealer did was swap out the steering stabilizer.
It has to be more than just that. I started looking at new trucks and found out I can sell my truck for way more than I have into it.
So now I am waiting for my 2022 F250 Platinum Tremor to come in that I ordered.
Hard to believe that my payment will be half and I will have it payed off in 1 and a half years..
And if you guys really WANT to fix a DW problem; why go to a dealer that is going to install the same crappy parts that they remove?
Do your research, install the best parts you can find. Trak-bar, ball joints, tierod ends, etc. Get it to drive right without a steering stabilizer first……THEN install the best stabilizer you can find.
^^^^this. I didn't do that with my jeep. Which is why it's gone.
Sorry, I am waaayy late on this response. I fixed my wobble, and I've figured out it was multiple things coming together to cause the issue. First, there is some slop in my gearbox. I turned the adjustment **** on top of it to snug it up a bit, but unfortunately it will definitely need replaced fairly soon. That, combined with the other corrective actions I mentioned in my previous post made it significantly better, but I could still feel it trying to start when I hit some good bumps just right. I decided to go ahead and change out all my shocks to try that, and those things were completely shot even though they have only been on 2 years or so. Now the truck drives great and I don't get any wobble. Honestly, if someone else starts getting wobble and you haven't changed your shocks in a long time, I'd throw some new ones on first thing.
Thanks for the help and I hope you have a great 2022!
If I had $1 for every time I responded to a DW thread with "The problem is the track bar", well, I'd have... at least $30, lol. Seriously, if you understand what DW actually is, it's clear the track bar is the problem.
If I had $1 for every time I responded to a DW thread with "The problem is the track bar", well, I'd have... at least $30, lol. Seriously, if you understand what DW actually is, it's clear the track bar is the problem.
That, and all the factory tie rod ends from the steering box on out are junk. Unless something has changed, the factory ones have a spring behind the ball to hold it tight in the seat, where the good ones have a molded bearing press fitted into place, so there won't be any up/down movement of the joint internals during rough impacts, like expansion joints and train tracks.
That, and all the factory tie rod ends from the steering box on out are junk. Unless something has changed, the factory ones have a spring behind the ball to hold it tight in the seat, where the good ones have a molded bearing press fitted into place, so there won't be any up/down movement of the joint internals during rough impacts, like expansion joints and train tracks.
That certainly can be a problem, but won't cause death wobble. DW is caused by side to side movement of the axle relative to the frame mounted steering box/gear, i.e. bad track bar bushing(s). 1. When the truck goes slightly to the left the play in the track bar allows the axle to move relative to the frame and steers the truck to the right. 2. When the truck then goes to the right, the play in the track bar allows the axle to move relative to the frame the other way and steers the truck to the left. Return to #1 and repeat at about 15 cycles per second. Lots of worn parts in the steering and suspension can cause issues, but the above is the actual cause of DW. You can also see how a good steering stabilizer can cover up the problem, but is not in itself a fix.
That certainly can be a problem, but won't cause death wobble. DW is caused by side to side movement of the axle relative to the frame mounted steering box/gear, i.e. bad track bar bushing(s). 1. When the truck goes slightly to the left the play in the track bar allows the axle to move relative to the frame and steers the truck to the right. 2. When the truck then goes to the right, the play in the track bar allows the axle to move relative to the frame the other way and steers the truck to the left. Return to #1 and repeat at about 15 cycles per second. Lots of worn parts in the steering and suspension can cause issues, but the above is the actual cause of DW. You can also see how a good steering stabilizer can cover up the problem, but is not in itself a fix.
You are correct, but add in each front tire independently steering itself right and left while the track bar is moving, and you have super death wobble. The front tires steering themselves over rough patches can set the track bar in motion.
You are correct, but add in each front tire independently steering itself right and left while the track bar is moving, and you have super death wobble. The front tires steering themselves over rough patches can set the track bar in motion.
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what the hell ford. Glad i replaced mine with PMF/Moog ones. and did a carli track bar.
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