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Sure you timed this at me and lacked the ***** to quote me.
What would I know only been fixing it since 1969 and NO I don't replace parts until it gets fixed or the customer runs out of money...like MOST shops do!
I see you are a Software engineer. You not one of the guys I fired are you? He was from NE also. I spent a lot of time in NE did study under Profs at MIT.
Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. As I said, there is a *lot* of bad info here, from people who don't understand what DW actually is, and so don't understand the cause, and so don't understand the fix.
Oh, and I've never been fired, not that that has anything to do with this thread. Oh wait - I did fire myself once - but I was a kind of a ***** to work for anyway, lol.
Wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. As I said, there is a *lot* of bad info here, from people who don't understand what DW actually is, and so don't understand the cause, and so don't understand the fix.
Oh, and I've never been fired, not that that has anything to do with this thread. Oh wait - I did fire myself once - but I was a kind of a ***** to work for anyway, lol.
IF it was not aimed at me then my apologies...I did find it odd that only a few posts back that I agreed with what you said and quoted you and stated such.
When I sold my company in 2001 I retired from IT and NEVER looked back.
IF it was not aimed at me then my apologies...I did find it odd that only a few posts back that I agreed with what you said and quoted you and stated such.
When I sold my company in 2001 I retired from IT and NEVER looked back.
Not sure if it applies here, but I can agree with some things someone says and disagree with other things they say. But no apologies necessary, nothing personal was intended, nothing personal taken on this side. Only frustration in general from folks who seem to refuse to listen and learn.
I retired from SW Eng a few years ago myself. Not IT, but development - mainly video related, from medical imaging to NLE's. That part of my life was very fruitful and satisfying, but it was time to move on and do something completely different. Peace and out!
Not sure if it applies here, but I can agree with some things someone says and disagree with other things they say. But no apologies necessary, nothing personal was intended, nothing personal taken on this side. Only frustration in general from folks who seem to refuse to listen and learn.
I retired from SW Eng a few years ago myself. Not IT, but development - mainly video related, from medical imaging to NLE's. That part of my life was very fruitful and satisfying, but it was time to move on and do something completely different. Peace and out!
Agreed!
Off roading was my passion for over 50 years, I chased it around the world. So I opened an Offroad shop with a focus on Jeeps and Superdutys. It was the Jeep TJ that set the off road world afire and IMO is the best off road Jeep ever built. However standard equipment was was DW and it was bad. Its were I spent countless hours, days and weeks working with it. What it comes down to is change the architecture and DW mostly goes away.
What I determined was you need to rid yourself of unparalleled system. So I went on a quest to put everything parallel with the axle. I did that in 2 phases and it worked.
To achieve this I cut off the steering box and rotated it to to put the pitman assembly parallel. Then my next challenge was the 'snake' aka the Track bar. I cut off the Track bar mount, built a new one and dropped it until it could use a straight and now parallel connection.
NOTE is was on my Jeep TJ, but I had a Ford Superduty 60 under the Jeep F/R. Dynatrac was a supplier to Ford for their custom builds.
ChroMo Track Bar with Johnny joint and the Track bar dropped mount I fabbed, there is your fix for the snake track bar
So much bad information here. Loose and worn components - and even bad design - none of those are good things. But almost none of those will cause real DW. I'm done trying to explain this. My experience is based on 40 years of having and *successfully* fixing DW. Suit yourself though, just replace one part after another, eventually you'll probably get lucky, lol.
Welcome to this forum. for the most part, a bunch of misinformation, whining, and recommendations to just call your service advisor and to take it to the dealer...
I've about had it too. Looking for a place that actually has tech posts...
Don’t give up! So many seek understanding as they try to be as self-reliant as possible. Often requires more “why” than what and how; that seems to be where expertise is trusted most.
Off roading was my passion for over 50 years, I chased it around the world. So I opened an Offroad shop with a focus on Jeeps and Superdutys. It was the Jeep TJ that set the off road world afire and IMO is the best off road Jeep ever built. However standard equipment was was DW and it was bad. Its were I spent countless hours, days and weeks working with it. What it comes down to is change the architecture and DW mostly goes away.
What I determined was you need to rid yourself of unparalleled system. So I went on a quest to put everything parallel with the axle. I did that in 2 phases and it worked.
To achieve this I cut off the steering box and rotated it to to put the pitman assembly parallel. Then my next challenge was the 'snake' aka the Track bar. I cut off the Track bar mount, built a new one and dropped it until it could use a straight and now parallel connection.
NOTE is was on my Jeep TJ, but I had a Ford Superduty 60 under the Jeep F/R. Dynatrac was a supplier to Ford for their custom builds.
ChroMo Track Bar with Johnny joint and the Track bar dropped mount I fabbed, there is your fix for the snake track bar
Nice.
My first experience with DW was on a 1974 4WD F100, with - you guessed it - a solid front axle and coil springs. Luckily for me the cause was extremely obvious, the bolts holding the frame end of the track bar had loosened up. I fixed that easily, but also spent a fair amount of time figuring out *why* that caused death wobble. I was making my way through some school at the time, working at a tire store. Next door was mechanic shop, shortly after my experience they had a truck in with DW (it was a half ton chevy, IIRC) and they tried everything they could think of, but couldn't fix it. I was over there one day when they had that truck on the lift for about the 20th time, I grabbed a pry bar and in about 5 seconds showed them the problem - bad track bar bushing. Been through this multiple times since then, and while I never say 100% about anything, every single vehicle I've worked on with DW was fixed by eliminating issues with the track bar. And again, understanding what DW actually is, and what causes it, saves a lot of money on parts, in my experience.
Update - Just got my truck back from Ford. The tech said he checked the front end and everything was tight and performed the TSB 19-2392. I hope this will solve the problem, but as others have mentioned 'it's just a bandaid'. Here is the paperwork from Ford.
Update - Just got my truck back from Ford. The tech said he checked the front end and everything was tight and performed the TSB 19-2392. I hope this will solve the problem, but as others have mentioned 'it's just a bandaid'. Here is the paperwork from Ford.
Weird that he only mentioned tie rods being checked. Hopefully they actually checked everything else up front and just didn't note it.
I doubt they checked the tie rod ends, at least not correctly, or they would have been found loose when new.
Ford says put a stabilizer on because it's the cheapest thing to get you off the lot. It doesn't pay much to install, so the tech isn't going to spend time looking at other things.
I doubt they checked the tie rod ends, at least not correctly, or they would have been found loose when new.
Ford says put a stabilizer on because it's the cheapest thing to get you off the lot. It doesn't pay much to install, so the tech isn't going to spend time looking at other things.
Yep, agreed.
I'll beat the dead horse again...
Like I posted earlier, it's in the best interest of the dealer to put the cheapest and quickest fix to get you out the door. Congrats. They did not really solve your problem
Loose parts. Worn parts. Alignment. Tires. Shocks... check all these and throw the factory stabilizer in the trash. Just throw on ONE good stabilizer (bilstien, fox...) in the stock location, once everything else checks out...
And just because the alignment is "in the green" doesn't mean that it's correct. Aim for 4 to 5 degrees of caster, no camber, and a slight toe in condition (about .25 degrees which is about 1/8" in when measured at the outside of your tires)
I hope by MY 2019 they have this problem fixed for my sake. Both of my buddies with a 2015 and 2016 have DW.
Hate to tell you, but from what I've read (and now experienced) 2019 was the last model year before they got serious about a fix. I have <20k on mine, bought just before the pandemic, and have used it to move a 7000lb travel trailer and haul a couple ATVs for a total of about 2000 of those miles. Hit an expansion joint on the highway @ 65 MPH and now know what they're talking about. Point is, with under 20k, even with some moderately hard use (the travel trailer was moved several times on a hillside) I shouldn't expect parts to have been worn, and my last oil change and inspection at the dealership with 13k miles should have found identified potential issues.
I haven't had it in yet to have it looked at, am trying to get an appointment.
Hate to tell you, but from what I've read (and now experienced) 2019 was the last model year before they got serious about a fix. I have <20k on mine, bought just before the pandemic, and have used it to move a 7000lb travel trailer and haul a couple ATVs for a total of about 2000 of those miles. Hit an expansion joint on the highway @ 65 MPH and now know what they're talking about. Point is, with under 20k, even with some moderately hard use (the travel trailer was moved several times on a hillside) I shouldn't expect parts to have been worn, and my last oil change and inspection at the dealership with 13k miles should have found identified potential issues.
You do realize you replied to a post from over 3 years ago. I have a hunch that he is aware that MY2019 is also susceptible to the DW. In what way did Ford get serious about a fix after that?
To be fair, the last response was 2 months ago.
And I was just reading through all of this because I'm now on my second go around at 53k miles on a '19 F-450. Stock, no lift kit, no bigger tires.
Dealer replaced half the front end at around 30k. I understand the frustration, and I feel its unacceptable to have to rebuild the front end of the truck every 30k miles.
To be fair to who? Posting in an old thread is one thing, I do it to avoid making new threads, but quoting/ replying to that 3 year old post is a bit different. Not a big deal, but like I said, I'm pretty sure that after 3+ years, the guy quoted is aware. So are you saying you had a DW issue twice now in (almost) 60k miles on your F-450, or that you just have worn parts?
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