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No Limit kit. Their setup eliminates the water/oil kit but I’m keeping that as I also have the BPD oil/water cooler. I’m going to connect it through this filter adapter, and an in-line thermostat tuned to 215f activation. Mishimoto fan control set for 230f or whatever I like, and a manual override for the 1,500cfm of fans so I can keep them on if I like. Just need a few days to set it up. Thinking I’ll set it up this fall. No more defueling garbage.
I've just purchased a 2016 6.7 and I'm concerned about the egr/dpf issues, anyone have any experience with water methanol injection to help keep things cleaner?
I put one on a 6.4
yes end to end cleaning
depending on what you run...you can get more cooling or more power
if not deleted...you have to be careful on cooling during low operating temps as this will reduce regen temps and could interfere with regens
you need about 500ml spray nozzles for a 6.7
id opt for two 250ml nozzles vs 1. 500ml nozzle for better spray control
things to worry about...methonal is corrosive so I’d be careful with mixed over 30%. Blue washer fluid is about 23%.
i ran blue washer fluid during winter and just water during all other seasons.
Amazon has a nice intercooler short pip with 3 nozzle fittings ready to go.
the tank is another problem. The windshield washer tank is too small and the 1 gallon tank you get in kits barely an improvement. I wound up with a 5 gallon tank .
all in all its nice way of getting more power, keep your engine clean, cool . And it’s easy to reverse and does not need a tune change or a tuner.
depending on what you run...you can get more cooling or more power
if not deleted...you have to be careful on cooling during low operating temps as this will reduce regen temps and could interfere with regens
you need about 500ml spray nozzles for a 6.7
id opt for two 250ml nozzles vs 1. 500ml nozzle for better spray control
things to worry about...methonal is corrosive so I’d be careful with mixed over 30%. Blue washer fluid is about 23%.
i ran blue washer fluid during winter and just water during all other seasons.
Amazon has a nice intercooler short pip with 3 nozzle fittings ready to go.
the tank is another problem. The windshield washer tank is too small and the 1 gallon tank you get in kits barely an improvement. I wound up with a 5 gallon tank .
all in all its nice way of getting more power, keep your engine clean, cool . And it’s easy to reverse and does not need a tune change or a tuner.
I've been quite interested in meth kits so speakerfritz, maybe I can ask you and everyone else, does it not increase your combustion pressures to a point where maybe it can be to dangerous to run, especially if you have a tune? Is this a concern to anyone? Maybe I'm just over thinking this...
The theory of operation is that the water will cool incoming air and cooler air provides denser oxygen for mixing with fuel. You can consider the denser air close to the air density on a cold day.
The theory of operation is that the water will cool incoming air and cooler air provides denser oxygen for mixing with fuel. You can consider the denser air close to the air density on a cold day.
So, do you think it would be safe with say a deleted tow tune towing 15k throughout the mountains?
So, do you think it would be safe with say a deleted tow tune towing 15k throughout the mountains?
Depends on which you buy and what fluids you use
Ok = a) boost triggered only , 500ml nozzle, washer fluid in winter, water other 3 seasons, start injection at 10psi boost, 100% at 40 psi boost
ok = egt and map sensor triggered with same as A) conditions
using more methanol than washer fluid and higher nozzle tha 500ml could be risky with out approval from kit manufacture
Most kit manufactures have a chart that illustrates engine HP and will define nozzle size.
can you blow a motor with methonal injection....,sure....improperly installed kit can hydro lock an engine....follow instructions and use the recommended accessories or have the unit professionally installed.
Ok = a) boost triggered only , 500ml nozzle, washer fluid in winter, water other 3 seasons, start injection at 10psi boost, 100% at 40 psi boost
ok = egt and map sensor triggered with same as A) conditions
using more methanol than washer fluid and higher nozzle tha 500ml could be risky with out approval from kit manufacture
Most kit manufactures have a chart that illustrates engine HP and will define nozzle size.
can you blow a motor with methonal injection....,sure....improperly installed kit can hydro lock an engine....follow instructions and use the recommended accessories or have the unit professionally installed.
I was planning on doing something like a snow performance kit. I was also planning on only running washer fluid at the most... I was originally thinking about installing gears, but all that is going to get me is the same speed in a higher gear...
Gotta ask, where does the water / meth get injected? Is it post or pre HPFP? Isn't water in the fuel system a bad thing? Seems odd to me that there are 100s maybe 1,000s of posts about fuel water separators, water in the fuel causing CEL and the entire fuel system needing to be replaced and here we're talking about injecting a mixture of methanol and water into the fuel system. Obviously I'm clueless but curious as heck.
Gotta ask, where does the water / meth get injected? Is it post or pre HPFP? Isn't water in the fuel system a bad thing? Seems odd to me that there are 100s maybe 1,000s of posts about fuel water separators, water in the fuel causing CEL and the entire fuel system needing to be replaced and here we're talking about injecting a mixture of methanol and water into the fuel system. Obviously I'm clueless but curious as heck.
The water gets injected after turbo and before intake manifold.
the water never enters the fuel system.
the water injection is a fine mist that gets absorbed by the air entering the intake resulting in lower air temps .
some of the mist washes out combustion and emissions components
Ok = a) boost triggered only , 500ml nozzle, washer fluid in winter, water other 3 seasons, start injection at 10psi boost, 100% at 40 psi boost
ok = egt and map sensor triggered with same as A) conditions
using more methanol than washer fluid and higher nozzle tha 500ml could be risky with out approval from kit manufacture
Most kit manufactures have a chart that illustrates engine HP and will define nozzle size.
can you blow a motor with methonal injection....,sure....improperly installed kit can hydro lock an engine....follow instructions and use the recommended accessories or have the unit professionally installed.
Thanks speakerfritz. Your offering good info. Did your system satisfy you? Is it what you expected?
No Limit kit. Their setup eliminates the water/oil kit but I’m keeping that as I also have the BPD oil/water cooler. I’m going to connect it through this filter adapter, and an in-line thermostat tuned to 215f activation. Mishimoto fan control set for 230f or whatever I like, and a manual override for the 1,500cfm of fans so I can keep them on if I like. Just need a few days to set it up. Thinking I’ll set it up this fall. No more defueling garbage.
My 6.4 had a water injector. Approx ten years and 200,000 miles on this cold side CAC tube.
First picture is the inlet end. Black is scorched on CCV vapors. Did not have a catch can. Visible hole was a nozzle port. Clean metal can be seen on the opposite wall.
Second picture is the outlet end. All metal is clean. Darkness is shadow from the crimp.
Tube has been laying in my garage for two years.
When installed, the throttle body was coated with CCV scorch and hardened EGR soot. No picture available.
Took about 5k miles for everything to get clean down to the metal, and then the truck started running its best, which lasted until I traded it in on my new 2018.
Have not done the install on my current truck, but plan to do so next month.
The best source of info that I know of for water/meth injection:
rbcracing-rsr dot com/water injection.html
I will not say that it improved my mileage.
I will not say that it made more power.
I would say that power and mileage were restored to stock from what had been lost to scorch and soot buildup/clogging. The overall effect is probably better than stock, but better to expect something and be surprised, over hoping for something else and finding yourself disappointed.
My 6.4 had a water injector. Approx ten years and 200,000 miles on this cold side CAC tube.
First picture is the inlet end. Black is scorched on CCV vapors. Did not have a catch can. Visible hole was a nozzle port. Clean metal can be seen on the opposite wall.
Second picture is the outlet end. All metal is clean. Darkness is shadow from the crimp.
Tube has been laying in my garage for two years.
When installed, the throttle body was coated with CCV scorch and hardened EGR soot. No picture available.
Took about 5k miles for everything to get clean down to the metal, and then the truck started running its best, which lasted until I traded it in on my new 2018.
Have not done the install on my current truck, but plan to do so next month.
The best source of info that I know of for water/meth injection:
rbcracing-rsr dot com/water injection.html
I will not say that it improved my mileage.
I will not say that it made more power.
I would say that power and mileage were restored to stock from what had been lost to scorch and soot buildup/clogging. The overall effect is probably better than stock, but better to expect something and be surprised, over hoping for something else and finding yourself disappointed.
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