Water injection?
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Water injection?
So this is something new to me, i was looking at one of the ads on this forum and they were advertising a water/alcohol injection system that you could run 100% windshield wiper fluid ment for in the winter.
They also say that its 100% safe(so do most programers). My question is, whats the diff between that and nos? I can't see washer fluid being good for a motor, could it?
They also say that its 100% safe(so do most programers). My question is, whats the diff between that and nos? I can't see washer fluid being good for a motor, could it?
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It actually does the engine no harm (these engines can ingest a great many things and keep on truckin'). The water/meth injection does a few things, first it cools the intake air charge which allows more air into the cylinders, second if you are using methanol it provides a little extra fuel to burn. It also reduces EGTs because of the extra energy it take to boil the water.
That's the short answer, but it does no harm to the engine and it properly used, actually does a fair bit for the performance of the truck.
That's the short answer, but it does no harm to the engine and it properly used, actually does a fair bit for the performance of the truck.
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so the main purpose of this is not performance, do you have to worry about too much methanol just like dumping too much nos in a motor not made for it? they also advertise it cuts down on coking, how?
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Oh no; don't misconstrue what I've said.... You can get a lot more HP out of an engine running water/meth than not... Takes some tuning but there's no doubt about it, I've also heard from heavy tow guys that it can give you a nice perk up in the fuel economy as well.... As to the coking issue, when you're running lots of water/meth under high load conditions it's like a pressure washer for the inside of your engine, hoses everything down nice and clean. I've heard from a couple of engine gurus that the engines they've tore down that were using water/meth were among the cleanest they'd seen.
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As long as you buy a good progressive system I think the likliehood of problems is minimal. As long as you don't start trying to run straight methanol or other fuels through the system I see few possible problems.
Only if you run so much that you hydraulic a cylinder would you have a problem, and you would need flow a HUGE amount of fluid to do that.
Only if you run so much that you hydraulic a cylinder would you have a problem, and you would need flow a HUGE amount of fluid to do that.
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there are downsides to too much, but that is with anything. one guy on here blew his motor with water/meth AND nos.. but a simple water/meth or even straight water kit should do no harm.
the meth adds power as it is a fuel, and like what was stated above, the egt's drop drastically, AND it really does clean the heck out of the combustion chamber and piston and valves. it is a good investment whether for towing, performance, or simply keeping egt's down.
i am probably just going to run straight water in my system.
the meth adds power as it is a fuel, and like what was stated above, the egt's drop drastically, AND it really does clean the heck out of the combustion chamber and piston and valves. it is a good investment whether for towing, performance, or simply keeping egt's down.
i am probably just going to run straight water in my system.
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Well... The blown engine wasn't directly caused by the water meth/nos, it was that the water/meth and nos did not shut off when the engine shut down due to low oil pressure. The LPOP came apart when the engine over revved....
But I'm sure his engine is squeaky clean inside
But I'm sure his engine is squeaky clean inside
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It's always good to hear others discussing the benefits of water injection. We didn't invent water injection... it's been around for quite some time and has proven its value many times over. What we did do is design a very easy system to install that has the most advanced progressive controller on the market. Our trunkmount system can typically be installed in about an hour (sometimes less and sometimes a little longer). This is a huge benefit because most other systems take about 3-4 hours to install.
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We've posted this in some other threads but it has a lot of good information so I thought it may help out this thread as well.
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Originally Posted by LvTitan
one guy on here blew his motor with water/meth AND nos.
Oh yeah, and overeving it. I highly recommend Water/Meth for heavy towers. It reduced my EGT's significantly. Oh course, the blown motor was nothing to do with the water/meth, and alot to do with a huge combo of factors including driver error. You can read about it in the competion thread if you want.
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Ummmm,
How long do the injectors last? and if you have an injector fail, will it be covered?
Water in ANY amount in a high pressure injection system is not a good thing. At the temps & pressures at the injector tip, any water vapor present will flash into one of the most corrosive things known to man - high pressure steam. It'll tear those injectors apart in short order.
Ford says no water, no alcohol, and makes a filter to try to remove it from the fuel. Wonder why?
Now, if you want a drag truck, where you're constantly working on the engine, and don't mind the cost of an injector or two on a regular basis, go for it.
How long do the injectors last? and if you have an injector fail, will it be covered?
Water in ANY amount in a high pressure injection system is not a good thing. At the temps & pressures at the injector tip, any water vapor present will flash into one of the most corrosive things known to man - high pressure steam. It'll tear those injectors apart in short order.
Ford says no water, no alcohol, and makes a filter to try to remove it from the fuel. Wonder why?
Now, if you want a drag truck, where you're constantly working on the engine, and don't mind the cost of an injector or two on a regular basis, go for it.
