ZF5 shift linkage S42 vs S47
#1
ZF5 shift linkage S42 vs S47
My 7.3 is at a driveline shop getting a rebuilt ZF5 and South Bend Clutch put in it this week. I’m on vacation 1500 miles away and wated to check one last thing while the shop has it all week. My 94.5 has the S42 version and after much reading I tracked down a rebuilt S47 version from the 96/97s. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and R are all 10-20% lower (numerically higher) in the 47 vs 42. The synchros are a little different and it can also handle a little bit more torque.
Anyway, everything I read tells me as long as its a diesel 4x4 unit swaping a 42 and 47 is no issue. I seem to remember reading something that the linkage is different? Is this true? Will my stock shifter and linkage mate up just fine? Thanks!
Anyway, everything I read tells me as long as its a diesel 4x4 unit swaping a 42 and 47 is no issue. I seem to remember reading something that the linkage is different? Is this true? Will my stock shifter and linkage mate up just fine? Thanks!
#2
Not sure what linkage you mean... it drops in right from the top.
In any event, the shifter stub from my S5-47 starts with the '1317' prefix which is for the 47 model. Call up Midwest and ask for Adam, good dude. I am buying all my internals there for my build. If there is a major difference, they will tell you. I know that upper rubber boot deal for it is different. The plastic bushings are the same. May as well get their short throw shifter while it is apart.
If you do not tow a ton, I would not worry about the input torque ratings nor the gearing difference.
In any event, the shifter stub from my S5-47 starts with the '1317' prefix which is for the 47 model. Call up Midwest and ask for Adam, good dude. I am buying all my internals there for my build. If there is a major difference, they will tell you. I know that upper rubber boot deal for it is different. The plastic bushings are the same. May as well get their short throw shifter while it is apart.
If you do not tow a ton, I would not worry about the input torque ratings nor the gearing difference.
#3
I called Adam and he wasn’t sure about the 42 vs 47 stub shaft differences. He said to just pop my old shifter assembly on top of the 47 and see if it engages all gears and that the reverse lockout works properly.
I have 35s and 4.10s and was planning to regear to 3.55s or 3.73s. The 47 will give me the 1, 2, 3, and R with the benefits of 4.10s but on the highway the revs will drop nicely once I regear to 3.55s or 3.73s.
I have 35s and 4.10s and was planning to regear to 3.55s or 3.73s. The 47 will give me the 1, 2, 3, and R with the benefits of 4.10s but on the highway the revs will drop nicely once I regear to 3.55s or 3.73s.
#4
I would keep the 4.10:1 gear set, 35s are heavy. You have to include the rotational mass, not just the tire height. I went from stock 275/65R20s on my old 6.4 PSD to true 35s, big difference in getting the thing moving. It had compounds, obviously, and with a VGT for the high pressure turbo. 7.3s have neither of these. It was equipped with stock aluminum wheels and 3.73:1 gears. Went back to stock, economy went back up. If I had more gear it would have been acceptable.
With that setup you would go from roughly 2122rpm to 1837rpm at 70mph, all else equal. Hope it helps.
My shifter stub is out if you need pictures to compare to yours. PM me and I will send you a photo.
With that setup you would go from roughly 2122rpm to 1837rpm at 70mph, all else equal. Hope it helps.
My shifter stub is out if you need pictures to compare to yours. PM me and I will send you a photo.
#5
Related re-gearing question: Are you limited how many times you can adjust your speedometer for tire size with software? Can you adjust your tire size with software on these trucks? I have read about doing it with the odometer ***** and you are limited to six changes, I think. I was thinking about the Ford IDS or Forscan software.
#6
Related re-gearing question: Are you limited how many times you can adjust your speedometer for tire size with software? Can you adjust your tire size with software on these trucks? I have read about doing it with the odometer ***** and you are limited to six changes, I think. I was thinking about the Ford IDS or Forscan software.
#7
That makes sense. Later vehicles have a bus. That might be when we get interconnection between modules? I'll look into this some more when I think about it.
Link to some PSOM tire size info:
https://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/646264_1
Link to some PSOM tire size info:
https://www.supermotors.net/registry/media/646264_1
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#8
I would keep the 4.10:1 gear set, 35s are heavy. You have to include the rotational mass, not just the tire height. I went from stock 275/65R20s on my old 6.4 PSD to true 35s, big difference in getting the thing moving. It had compounds, obviously, and with a VGT for the high pressure turbo. 7.3s have neither of these. It was equipped with stock aluminum wheels and 3.73:1 gears. Went back to stock, economy went back up. If I had more gear it would have been acceptable.
With that setup you would go from roughly 2122rpm to 1837rpm at 70mph, all else equal. Hope it helps.
My shifter stub is out if you need pictures to compare to yours. PM me and I will send you a photo.
With that setup you would go from roughly 2122rpm to 1837rpm at 70mph, all else equal. Hope it helps.
My shifter stub is out if you need pictures to compare to yours. PM me and I will send you a photo.
The shifter and stub shaft from my 42 seems fine fine. The shop said it was good to go on phone last week. It's been so long since I could drive the truck at all without really having to be slow and gentle shifting from 1 to 2, 2 to 3, and into R. The throws seem a little bit long, but that could be because I drove my My 89 LX's T-5 yesterday for 600 miles.
I'm kinda interested in the Midwest short throw kit now. Just in case mine isn't quite right. Their website says you can install it with the trans in the truck so it's not too late to try it
#9
Midnight Mods: MidWest Trans Short Throw Shifter Kit Install for ZF5
Not my site. I am shipping off my shifter stub this morning, I will shoot pics to you or just stay on the look out for my ZF build thread to happen. It sorta is in that 'ZF removal tips' one I have going. I think it was about $200, no idea on freight since I am having a ton of internal parts ship back with it for my rebuild.
IMO, do it. Everyone I asked say they love it. Plus you can service the trans again while in there... yes it is fresh. But there is always some crap in the fluid on any fresh build. Dump a gallon of Redline D4 in there and snick-snick it up.
Not my site. I am shipping off my shifter stub this morning, I will shoot pics to you or just stay on the look out for my ZF build thread to happen. It sorta is in that 'ZF removal tips' one I have going. I think it was about $200, no idea on freight since I am having a ton of internal parts ship back with it for my rebuild.
IMO, do it. Everyone I asked say they love it. Plus you can service the trans again while in there... yes it is fresh. But there is always some crap in the fluid on any fresh build. Dump a gallon of Redline D4 in there and snick-snick it up.
#10
Midnight Mods: MidWest Trans Short Throw Shifter Kit Install for ZF5
Not my site. I am shipping off my shifter stub this morning, I will shoot pics to you or just stay on the look out for my ZF build thread to happen. It sorta is in that 'ZF removal tips' one I have going. I think it was about $200, no idea on freight since I am having a ton of internal parts ship back with it for my rebuild.
IMO, do it. Everyone I asked say they love it. Plus you can service the trans again while in there... yes it is fresh. But there is always some crap in the fluid on any fresh build. Dump a gallon of Redline D4 in there and snick-snick it up.
Not my site. I am shipping off my shifter stub this morning, I will shoot pics to you or just stay on the look out for my ZF build thread to happen. It sorta is in that 'ZF removal tips' one I have going. I think it was about $200, no idea on freight since I am having a ton of internal parts ship back with it for my rebuild.
IMO, do it. Everyone I asked say they love it. Plus you can service the trans again while in there... yes it is fresh. But there is always some crap in the fluid on any fresh build. Dump a gallon of Redline D4 in there and snick-snick it up.
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