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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 07:27 PM
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Front axle identification

Was hoping some of y'all could help me identify the front axle in my 1971 F250 highboy. My warranty/info plate is missing off the door so can't find out that way. I am guessing it's a Dana 44hd due to 446cf being cast near the deferential cover, but was hoping someone could confirm or deny it. Info tag that was bolted to the deferential cover
446cf cast on the support gusset
 
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Old Jan 29, 2017 | 09:05 PM
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Closed knuckle D44, 4.09 gears.
 
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HD has 12 bolt knuckle and large lockout hubs whereas regular D44 has 8 bolts and small hubs.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 02:13 PM
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Ok. I'll count the knuckle bolts when I get home. Are all the bearings and spindle bushings the same between the two axles? I know they need to be replaced in mine and want to make sure I get the right parts.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 08:02 PM
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Not sure, but check out this site.

ford44fHDclosedknuckle1959-1975 - Torque King 4x4
 
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The knuckles have 8 bolts so I guess its not a HD axle. Is there a way to tell if the deferential is a traction lock or not by the id tag? Also where would be the best place to source new spindle bushings, knuckle seals?
 
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 10:30 PM
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The knuckles have 8 bolts so I guess its not a HD axle. Is there a way to tell if the deferential is a traction lock or not by the id tag? Also where would be the best place to source new spindle bushings, knuckle seals?
These old dana 44 are turning into a can of worms once you start pulling it down. I rebuild my 44 to the best, I could finding parts down took some time after about 1k into it and still had a slightly tweaked axle which I found out in to end no company makes after market axle for these old close knuckle axles.

A yr later came across a HD44=3500Lbs. disc brake axle with external hubs.
So rebuild the disc axle hub to hub new HD Axle end up putting in about $1300.

I tried selling the old axle no takers, so tried giving it away and still no takers so have cut the axle tubes off so that, I could handle it took half to PnP and the rest gave to a metal scrap iron guys.

TQ King has mostly all the hard parts to find but he's high as hell so if you've got money he's got it.
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#603244-1 is the Dana Bill Of Materials (BOM) axle number. Here is everything you need to know. The new Dana site only starts at 1978.

http://www.canadawideparts.com/downl..._X510-8DSD.pdf

It is a standard axle, not a Trac-Lock.
 
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The spindle bushings were part number B9TZ3110A. Replaced by C1TZ3110A.
The closed knuckle wiper seal and retainer kits were part number D4TZ3132A.


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D4TZ3132A. Only one shown on my locators but I've seen aftermarket ones mention here before.
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Originally Posted by Mason R
Was hoping some of y'all could help me identify the front axle in my 1971 F250 highboy. My warranty/info plate is missing off the door so can't find out that way. I am guessing it's a Dana 44hd due to 446cf being cast near the deferential cover, but was hoping someone could confirm or deny it.
D1TA-CA .. Dana 44-6CF / 4.09-1 / Parts List #138
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 05:30 PM
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Thanks for all the help. While I'm at it i guess I should also replace the inner axle seals. Any tips on how to replace them or where I should get them?
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 06:39 PM
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Thanks for all the help. While I'm at it i guess I should also replace the inner axle seals. Any tips on how to replace them or where I should get them?
I got all my 44d stuff online made by Timken.

You got a remove the ring & pinon, I got a 4' length thick wall 1" PVC. pipe and put it in the axle tube till it came up to the seal and knocked it inward to pop out.

Then I made up a 3/4"x12" all thread with large washer & nuts that was to push the seals inward as to turn them outward it tighten up to the seal pushing them in
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If you have a helper you can drive the seals in with a the PVC pipe by putting the all thread into the 4' Long and one person keep it aligned at the seal an other with a hammer to drive it into place.

Or buy a installer for like 80 bucks to use once.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 08:55 PM
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Hey orich since you rebuilt your 44 do you know if these inner seals will fit the standard 44?

​​​​​​​http://www.quad4x4.com/cgi-bin/comme...cton&key=40055
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If I have to pull the carrier to replace the seals I'll probably just pull the whole axle and do a documented rebuild thread here
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason R
Hey orich since you rebuilt your 44 do you know if these inner seals will fit the standard 44?

​​​​​​​QU40055 INNER AXLE SEAL in Dana Front Axle Shafts, Seals
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If I have to pull the carrier to replace the seals I'll probably just pull the whole axle and do a documented rebuild thread here
I now can't remember but think they are the same. But maybe ND of Jeff will chime in. I used the same install tool on my regular dana 44 is 3000LB rated & the HD Disc 44 is 3500lbs I've herd that the axle tube were thicker an should not be any different in the axles themselves, But hear say only.

If true then axle seals would be the same.
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This is one of those times what Ford did doesn't make sense. Originally there was a B9TZ3248A "axle guide" right next to the B9TZ3254A inner axle seal. The B9TZ3254A was simply discontinued and the B9TZ3248A axle guide was replaced by a C6TZ3254C SEAL. I assume either will work but I don't understand why Ford didn't replace the B9TZ3254A with C6TZ3254C.
So, these places show as having both B9TZ3254A and C6TZ3254C.
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