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Hmm didn't now f250's came in duallys, I just looked up the sway bar on Tucksprings this is their note, 2017 Ford F-250 Super Duty Fits 4 Wheel Drive Fits models with Dual Rear Wheels ONLY. LOL
For those with the hellwig installed how is the ride when unloaded compared to stock? Does it make it ride ruff
As it is a 2 way adjustable and Hellwig told me. The outside position is firmer than OEM, but still gives a good ride. Position "center" provides a solid ride, I had it on my last 2 F 350's (Hellwig BIG WIG), I was hauling my Truck Camper @5000+ in the bed of the truck. The different in performance, handling and SAFTEY were nothing short of amazing.
The ride (to me) was very good even unloaded, but I personally like a firm solid ride, I have driven Jeep (short wheelbase) and Corvettes most of my life, if a firmer suspension package is offered I get it! I just like the handling that it affords.
I will say that if I did not have my Truck Camper I would not have run the center position on my BigWig. I THINK Hellwig makes a smaller diameter swaybar that is not adjustable and I would say that would meet most folks desires for better handling and better comfy ride.
There is a SAFETY factor with a better handling and more responsive vehicle and as an engineer (retired) I find the OEM version one of the few shortcomings on the Superduty.
As it is a 2 way adjustable and Hellwig told me. The outside position is firmer than OEM, but still gives a good ride. Position "center" provides a solid ride, I had it on my last 2 F 350's (Hellwig BIG WIG), I was hauling my Truck Camper @5000+ in the bed of the truck. The different in performance, handling and SAFTEY were nothing short of amazing.
The ride (to me) was very good even unloaded, but I personally like a firm solid ride, I have driven Jeep (short wheelbase) and Corvettes most of my life, if a firmer suspension package is offered I get it! I just like the handling that it affords.
I will say that if I did not have my Truck Camper I would not have run the center position on my BigWig. I THINK Hellwig makes a smaller diameter swaybar that is not adjustable and I would say that would meet most folks desires for better handling and better comfy ride.
There is a SAFETY factor with a better handling and more responsive vehicle and as an engineer (retired) I find the OEM version one of the few shortcomings on the Superduty.
I'm not looking to argue, but discuss the perceived differences. I hear everyone say the 'coat hanger' OEM Sway bar does not hold a candle to Hellwig's. Yes Hellwigs is larger and adjustable. I do, however, believe there is "some" engineering behind the design/size of the OEM sway bar. Bigger is a great selling point for Hellwig, but does it translate to better performance when you stay within the limits of the trucks' design?
Just asking. I'm an IT guy and not as knowledgeable as others on this topic.
I'm not looking to argue, but discuss the perceived differences. I hear everyone say the 'coat hanger' OEM Sway bar does not hold a candle to Hellwig's. Yes Hellwigs is larger and adjustable. I do, however, believe there is "some" engineering behind the design/size of the OEM sway bar. Bigger is a great selling point for Hellwig, but does it translate to better performance when you stay within the limits of the trucks' design?
Just asking. I'm an IT guy and not as knowledgeable as others on this topic.
What the bar does is offer resistance to the vertical movement at the ends of the axles. What it is in fact is a torsion bar, it resists the axle going up or down and it can do so in both directions at the same time. As a result its smoothes out the ride and keeps the axle planted horizontally with the ground plane, giving a more stable rides. It helps take out the leaning you find on corners, especially with a load in the bed.
The diameter of the bar, larger for larger loads and more stability. All this comes at a price as there are no free lunches. The ride become firmer, reflects small differences in road surfaces more and over all moves from from a 'Caddy' ride to a Ford Truck ride.
My guess is Ford in all its surveys has figured that MOST truck owners rarely carry more than a bag of groceries in the bed of the truck and few ever challenge the load limits. Folks like many of us on here have truck campers, 5th wheels, goosenecks and have some big tool sets being carried around. For us, the BigWig makes a major difference in how it handles. Trust me, when you have 5000+ lbs in the bed of your truck and the overall height is 12+ feet from the ground that truck swings and sway like dancing to Sammy Kay (you have to be real old to know what that means).
The parameters of your vehicle are the sum of its components. Adding a larger sway bar can increase the performance envelope and you will lose some of your softee ride.
When the bar is on the front of your vehicle its commonly refered to as an anti-dive bar and it keeps the front end from diving so hard under hard braking and slows the amount of weight transfer. NOTE: under perfect road conditions, meaning FLAT road and perfect driving conditions, meaning the wheels straight ahead with the direction of travel and mass of the vehicle, the input by the anti dive bar would be negligible.
What the bar does is offer resistance to the vertical movement at the ends of the axles. What it is in fact is a torsion bar, it resists the axle going up or down and it can do so in both directions at the same time. As a result its smoothes out the ride and keeps the axle planted horizontally with the ground plane, giving a more stable rides. It helps take out the leaning you find on corners, especially with a load in the bed.
The diameter of the bar, larger for larger loads and more stability. All this comes at a price as there are no free lunches. The ride become firmer, reflects small differences in road surfaces more and over all moves from from a 'Caddy' ride to a Ford Truck ride.
My guess is Ford in all its surveys has figured that MOST truck owners rarely carry more than a bag of groceries in the bed of the truck and few ever challenge the load limits. Folks like many of us on here have truck campers, 5th wheels, goosenecks and have some big tool sets being carried around. For us, the BigWig makes a major difference in how it handles. Trust me, when you have 5000+ lbs in the bed of your truck and the overall height is 12+ feet from the ground that truck swings and sway like dancing to Sammy Kay (you have to be real old to know what that means).
The parameters of your vehicle are the sum of its components. Adding a larger sway bar can increase the performance envelope and you will lose some of your softee ride.
When the bar is on the front of your vehicle its commonly refered to as an anti-dive bar and it keeps the front end from diving so hard under hard braking and slows the amount of weight transfer. NOTE: under perfect road conditions, meaning FLAT road and perfect driving conditions, meaning the wheels straight ahead with the direction of travel and mass of the vehicle, the input by the anti dive bar would be negligible.
This explains why the OEM one has always worked well for me. I'm towing less than 8k with probably less than 500 in the bed and all of that below the bed rails. If I end up purchasing a two car goose neck trailer I may regret the OEM one, but even then I believe it will be fine. Only time will tell on that front.
My BIL has located what we need to install the OEM sway bar, so hopefully I will have this done over the weekend and will try to document it for others to reference in the future.
This explains why the OEM one has always worked well for me. I'm towing less than 8k with probably less than 500 in the bed and all of that below the bed rails. If I end up purchasing a two car goose neck trailer I may regret the OEM one, but even then I believe it will be fine. Only time will tell on that front.
My BIL has located what we need to install the OEM sway bar, so hopefully I will have this done over the weekend and will try to document it for others to reference in the future.
Better than nothing, if your towing its less impacting, same goes for 5th/goose as the weight is behind the axle and centered and you have some movement/flex in the connection. The tow/5th/goose does not impart the direct lateral loads that a heavy payload does, so you should be fine in your approach and keep your softer ride...
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