Low/no compression all cylinders
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Mountain Pass
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After seeing that I'd probably order a loaded set of new pistons. I'd send the block out for a deep clean and check and any machining necessary.
Will be considering the pistons. Have you heard anything about Mahle for the 6 liter? I'll be separating the block to remove the crank just to have it magged and checked out too so the whole thing will be inspected and machined if needed.
OR.... I'd get a price from Asheville Engines for a complete longblock and call it done with a warranty.
www.ashevilleengine.com
I'm going all the way with this thing, being this far into it. Although a warranty would be quite nice.
That engine looks like it hardly ever had an oil change and/or was running the wrong oil. By chance did you save the oil to get an analysis done. It would be interesting to see what it reveals.
Will be considering the pistons. Have you heard anything about Mahle for the 6 liter? I'll be separating the block to remove the crank just to have it magged and checked out too so the whole thing will be inspected and machined if needed.
OR.... I'd get a price from Asheville Engines for a complete longblock and call it done with a warranty.
www.ashevilleengine.com
I'm going all the way with this thing, being this far into it. Although a warranty would be quite nice.
That engine looks like it hardly ever had an oil change and/or was running the wrong oil. By chance did you save the oil to get an analysis done. It would be interesting to see what it reveals.
Lead Driver
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From: So. Jersey
I think Mahle may be oem. My experience with them is I run Mahle graphite coated pistons in my 8500rpm VW drag bug and never had issues. I know it's way different application but the company has a good reputation in the motorsports world.
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Rear of the engine always gets stuff from the intake first, debris, coolant, etc. My guess is that the guy who had the truck drove it quite a while with a blown EGR cooler which eventually led to blown head gaskets as most often happens. When the HG blew, he probably kept dumping water in it and drove it to where it severely overheated a few times which is why you have some discoloring.
I'd bet that both heads are cracked. You are definitely looking at a complete rebuild on the long block. If you are going to do it, use all new parts, it's not worth trying to save a few hundred bucks trying to re-use parts. Our web site has all of our prices on it if you decide not to do it yourself.
I'd bet that both heads are cracked. You are definitely looking at a complete rebuild on the long block. If you are going to do it, use all new parts, it's not worth trying to save a few hundred bucks trying to re-use parts. Our web site has all of our prices on it if you decide not to do it yourself.
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Mountain Pass
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Rear of the engine always gets stuff from the intake first, debris, coolant, etc. My guess is that the guy who had the truck drove it quite a while with a blown EGR cooler which eventually led to blown head gaskets as most often happens. When the HG blew, he probably kept dumping water in it and drove it to where it severely overheated a few times which is why you have some discoloring.
I'd bet that both heads are cracked. You are definitely looking at a complete rebuild on the long block. If you are going to do it, use all new parts, it's not worth trying to save a few hundred bucks trying to re-use parts. Our web site has all of our prices on it if you decide not to do it yourself.
I'd bet that both heads are cracked. You are definitely looking at a complete rebuild on the long block. If you are going to do it, use all new parts, it's not worth trying to save a few hundred bucks trying to re-use parts. Our web site has all of our prices on it if you decide not to do it yourself.
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Mountain Pass
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Little update
Got the engine to the machine shop.
Discovered a bent valve with markings on the head indicating debris had gotten in there. Possibly a broken off glow plug tip. The heads themselves don't seem to have cracks with a quick magnet check. Either way they're getting rebuilt and magged.
We're boring the block .020 over, new pistons, and crank is getting magged and polished. Figured since I'd have it down this far I'd get the cam ground, so it's getting that. Also doing the bearings and seals.
Will try my best to keep you guys updated on the process with photos in the near future of it coming together.
Got the engine to the machine shop.
Discovered a bent valve with markings on the head indicating debris had gotten in there. Possibly a broken off glow plug tip. The heads themselves don't seem to have cracks with a quick magnet check. Either way they're getting rebuilt and magged.
We're boring the block .020 over, new pistons, and crank is getting magged and polished. Figured since I'd have it down this far I'd get the cam ground, so it's getting that. Also doing the bearings and seals.
Will try my best to keep you guys updated on the process with photos in the near future of it coming together.
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Little update
Got the engine to the machine shop.
Discovered a bent valve with markings on the head indicating debris had gotten in there. Possibly a broken off glow plug tip. The heads themselves don't seem to have cracks with a quick magnet check. Either way they're getting rebuilt and magged.
We're boring the block .020 over, new pistons, and crank is getting magged and polished. Figured since I'd have it down this far I'd get the cam ground, so it's getting that. Also doing the bearings and seals.
Will try my best to keep you guys updated on the process with photos in the near future of it coming together.
Got the engine to the machine shop.
Discovered a bent valve with markings on the head indicating debris had gotten in there. Possibly a broken off glow plug tip. The heads themselves don't seem to have cracks with a quick magnet check. Either way they're getting rebuilt and magged.
We're boring the block .020 over, new pistons, and crank is getting magged and polished. Figured since I'd have it down this far I'd get the cam ground, so it's getting that. Also doing the bearings and seals.
Will try my best to keep you guys updated on the process with photos in the near future of it coming together.
I only ask since I used to machine engine parts, among them cranks for outboard boat engines, 2 stroke.
The correct rockwell hardness was paramount, however in that case we would pregrind, weld up with a special radius and journal wire, and regrind to standard. Not the same I realize, just want you to be sure you are installing a cam that won't have a premature failure.
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Mountain Pass
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And the shop told you they will check the lobe hardness of the cam after it's been ground?
I only ask since I used to machine engine parts, among them cranks for outboard boat engines, 2 stroke.
The correct rockwell hardness was paramount, however in that case we would pregrind, weld up with a special radius and journal wire, and regrind to standard. Not the same I realize, just want you to be sure you are installing a cam that won't have a premature failure.
I only ask since I used to machine engine parts, among them cranks for outboard boat engines, 2 stroke.
The correct rockwell hardness was paramount, however in that case we would pregrind, weld up with a special radius and journal wire, and regrind to standard. Not the same I realize, just want you to be sure you are installing a cam that won't have a premature failure.
That's actually a great piece of advice. I'd spoken to a few other cam pros locally and they had instructed me to measure lobe thickness and cam run out to be sure I wasn't out of tolerance and hasn't ground through the heat treatment. I'll be keeping a watchful eye on the process and will report back as soon as he gets to the cam. So far he's reputable with all the engine builders locally. Worst case, I'll confront him with data and encourage him to get me a new one.
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Mountain Pass
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While on the topic of cams, has anyone ever heard about a discrepancy on the lobe causing premature lifter wear?? I was talking to a guy at the cam shop across the border and he says that Ford allegedly left a 'blip' on the cam lobes that be was able to detect with a cam doctor. He's speculating that they did it to help with future parts and repairs sales. I'm no specialist but he's been building cams as a living so I can't argue with him about the blip, but I do take his argument with a grain of salt. That would be extremely ethically irresponsible of them and could potentially lead to a law suit.
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What a job you have done so far. This may help, its long but has a lot of info.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...oval-pics.html
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https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...oval-pics.html
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The 6.4 cam is the same cam that's in the 6.0 engine.
The cam shop that you spoke with that talked about a defect built into the stock camshaft was telling you the truth. One of the lobes is not perfect which causes the lifter to bounce on the back side of it. I don't believe that Ford put it there intentionally, it's probably because the cam is made in Mexico or some other poor quality situation. It's hard to find good quality parts now days.
The cam shop that you spoke with that talked about a defect built into the stock camshaft was telling you the truth. One of the lobes is not perfect which causes the lifter to bounce on the back side of it. I don't believe that Ford put it there intentionally, it's probably because the cam is made in Mexico or some other poor quality situation. It's hard to find good quality parts now days.
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Mountain Pass
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The 6.4 cam is the same cam that's in the 6.0 engine.
The cam shop that you spoke with that talked about a defect built into the stock camshaft was telling you the truth. One of he lobes is not perfect which causes the lifter to bounce on the back side of it. I don't believe that Ford put it there intentionally, it's probably because the cam is made in Mexico or some other poor quality situation. It's hard to find good quality parts now days.
The cam shop that you spoke with that talked about a defect built into the stock camshaft was telling you the truth. One of he lobes is not perfect which causes the lifter to bounce on the back side of it. I don't believe that Ford put it there intentionally, it's probably because the cam is made in Mexico or some other poor quality situation. It's hard to find good quality parts now days.