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Old Nov 28, 2015 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by totalloser
*Shrug* I guess it is all relative. Dump a mountain of money into an IDI to make it perform like a stock DI. And Do similar mods to a DI and you are pushing at least 600hp.

It's not a matter of new vs old, it's a matter of compression ratio and combustion efficiency. There are very few who are pushing out of *heavily* modded IDI's, what I am running out of a stock long block Cummins with significantly less displacement.

I do remember our last ridiculous discussion, apparently you do not.

These engine types are not of the same ilk. IDI requires higher compression to start, thus the cylinder pressures are very high. High cylinder pressures melt/crack pistons and lift heads off spitting head gaskets. And yes, I have heard of the 6.0 and it's gasser stye four bolt cylinders. I also do my own headwork- not that it's particularly hard though, since almost all diesel heads are 90 degrees.

To be clear: IDI is nowhere near as tolerant of pushing the limits as DI engines. The 6.0 is a special case of weakness. *Very* few DI engines are so fragile.
I got as far as the first sentence and just wanted to point out in my humblest opinion, you are an idiot. Now i will continue to read, laugh some more, and will surely edit to point out more of your flawed thinking.

Well i wasnt dissapointed. Ive tried to point out the obviousness in your errored thinking before. Lets start with efficiency. 2.2hp / cc injected for cummins, 2.3-2.5 for dmax / psd 2.6-2.7 for a 7.3 idi, not sure what the detroits do, but im curious. theyre also a little more efficient with the air. I know you have a hard on for direct injection, thats fine, buy one, drive it, dont bother me (why are you on the idi board in the first place...?) Just because you have convinced yourself of your opinion doesnt mean you can run around stating it as fact.

Low compression IDIs (havent had one myself, yet), start easier than factory compression because they turn over so much easier and faster, say both people i know with heavily milled 7.3s.

FYI, they have high compression because theyre NA... really not that hard to put together. Another example is the 3208, NA 19.5:1 CR turbo 16.5:1

Remind me how many "lightly modded" DI engines are throwing down 600hp, oh, right... NONE because at minimum youre into turbo(s) and injectors.

My old boss has a 7.3 psd, had bigger injectors, chip, intake, and exhaust, lays down right at 300whp. That is heavy-light modding IMO. A light mod is turning the pump up on a 5.9 or 6.9/7.3. Even then 300hp is as much as you can squeeze out of a hx35, which i will concede is more than what a stock idi turbo will throw down.

The only thing you have even close to right is thermal loss through the head, even then youre wrong in your point. Yes the pre-cup has a large surface area that absorbs alot of heat.... real similar (and smaller) than the bowl in a DI piston... which absorbs even MORE heat, because larger surface area and aluminum.

"minor boost" yea, because 50+psi of boost is minor, especially on top of 21.5:1 compression making close to or over 600bhp with such EXTENSIVE mods as injector pump and nonintercooled turbo kit and, oh wait.... thats it.

Mountain of money he says... i forgot DI injectors grow on trees, and you can pick up compound turbo kits, dual pump kits, HO hpops and the like off the street corner for pocket change.

Its easier to play with DI to the extent of plugging in a chip. From there on its cheaper and easier to play with an idi. I already know, to rebutt youre going to say something to the extent of blah blah blah, 1000hp, something something DI, boner for Cummings, you port heads and vodoo whitchcraft and denial make idis inferior. Youre sitting high and center of the bandwagon, take your long block cummins and build it instead of trying to troll the idi boards. If you insist on continuing, please go to oilburners, they dont mind. In fact, i think they promote it.

Wrong again on the cylinder pressure. Sure static compression will be high due to the compression and stock cam characteristics, however in the real world, being IDI is alot easier on the engine due to the slower ignition offered by the pre-cup (why idis are quieter) therefor providing for a nice cushion as it were for the piston.

Headgaskets are simply a matter of poor placement, and in the case of the 6.9 too small of fasteners. Both for the 6.0. I have no idea where you came up with "gasser" headgaskets on a 6.0....
 
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Old Nov 28, 2015 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PlumCrazy7
Most run that boost without an intercooler. Depending on if it's a kit or an improved custom turbo setup, its easy to approach 20 psi with a turned up pump. Optimized motors are usually around 220-250 rwhp, or 300+ at the crank.

What most people don't understand is that past about 350hp the extra power is useless on the street. .
Makes since. I, personally, think that once you get to a certain/adequate HP # on a diesel you start getting into the "diminishing return" area really quick. That is simply because HP is a mathematical calculation of torque at a given RPM. Since diesel engines are much more RPM limited, to increase HP you have to add torque. That torque starts to become unusable past a certain point due to the next weakest link in the chain.....such as traction ability.
 
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