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The phone and built-in GPS are nice options. My Nexus 7 2013 does not have either, I bought it for dash gauges and that's about it. It plays videos nicely and I used it to watch the Superbowl. My po-dunk town has a total of zero TV stations, no other TV signal can reach in our tight valley, and I refuse to pay for 200 channels just to watch Mythbusters. The Nexus 7 has screen cast, and my big screen has a WiDi receiver. I tried the laptop first, but NBC had a one-minute game play delay - Google gave me the plays much sooner. This is a demonstration of WiDi on a 22" monitor:
As for Bluetooth, it's not entirely necessary - you just need a device that can connect to the OBDII adapter. OBDLink has Bluetooth, WiFi, and USB adapters - most everybody else is just Bluetooth or USB.
As for Bluetooth, it's not entirely necessary - you just need a device that can connect to the OBDII adapter. OBDLink has Bluetooth, WiFi, and USB adapters - most everybody else is just Bluetooth or USB.
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The phone and built-in GPS are nice options. My Nexus 7 2013 does not have either, I bought it for dash gauges and that's about it. It plays videos nicely and I used it to watch the Superbowl. My po-dunk town has a total of zero TV stations, no other TV signal can reach in our tight valley, and I refuse to pay for 200 channels just to watch Mythbusters. The Nexus 7 has screen cast, and my big screen has a WiDi receiver. I tried the laptop first, but NBC had a one-minute game play delay - Google gave me the plays much sooner. This is a demonstration of WiDi on a 22" monitor:
As for Bluetooth, it's not entirely necessary - you just need a device that can connect to the OBDII adapter. OBDLink has Bluetooth, WiFi, and USB adapters - most everybody else is just Bluetooth or USB.
As for Bluetooth, it's not entirely necessary - you just need a device that can connect to the OBDII adapter. OBDLink has Bluetooth, WiFi, and USB adapters - most everybody else is just Bluetooth or USB.
first off I hate laptops - but iv been thinking about picking one up for around 500$ at best buy.........
I wanna get AE - the laptop will handle this....
There are a few apps for pc that will allow you to run android apps on your computer - If I buy a laptop I'm gonna make a run at trying to make torque pro run on it......
eventually I'll get every peace of AE available as well....
Also tugly - The basic version of AE 249$ appears to do all the same stuff as torque pro - if you get the Ford expansion add 199 you get more stuff and are able to buzz and cct test among other things..... according to the site. Thanks bud. What do you think about my idea
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USB connection between the OBDII adapter and a portable device isn't practical - most portable devices have the USB port tied up for charging. WiFi or Bluetooth for portable devices, WiFi, BT, or USB works on laptops.
As good as your idea is, unfortunately AE basic is less than useless on our era of diesel. The Ford enhanced version allows you to see all the Ford PIDs, which most are exclusive. There are very few sensors on any vehicle that are mandated to be universal (which is all AE basic can read) - and our diesel doesn't even have half of those. Mass Air Flow? We don't have a stoichiometric mix for diesel. O2 sensor? Yeah... right. Spark timing? That will sit right next to the muffler bearing RPM PID.
The laptop and AE combination will come in at $900, but a laptop is good for so much more than just AE. I have a netbook that I keep with the truck. It's small, lightweight, has plenty of battery and takes little power from the cigarette lighter to charge, and it serves multiple duties as the "carputer".
Blue Stacks will convert part of the PC into Android Jellybean - they may have updated it since I removed it from my computer.
As good as your idea is, unfortunately AE basic is less than useless on our era of diesel. The Ford enhanced version allows you to see all the Ford PIDs, which most are exclusive. There are very few sensors on any vehicle that are mandated to be universal (which is all AE basic can read) - and our diesel doesn't even have half of those. Mass Air Flow? We don't have a stoichiometric mix for diesel. O2 sensor? Yeah... right. Spark timing? That will sit right next to the muffler bearing RPM PID.
The laptop and AE combination will come in at $900, but a laptop is good for so much more than just AE. I have a netbook that I keep with the truck. It's small, lightweight, has plenty of battery and takes little power from the cigarette lighter to charge, and it serves multiple duties as the "carputer".
Blue Stacks will convert part of the PC into Android Jellybean - they may have updated it since I removed it from my computer.
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Keeping a laptop in the truck can cost a lot more money than the original cost of the laptop and the cost of the AE software and key to use it. Here are some of the extra costs:
1. New side window.
2. New side window installation, unless doing it yourself.
3. Bandages, because tempered glass explodes everywhere, leaving the tiniest unseen (but felt) glass slivers everywhere inside the vehicle.
4. Clean up time. Hours of clean up time. Hours.
5. All cash out of pocket to repair, because the replacement side glass will not likely exceed the $500 deductible.
6. All cash out of pocket to replace the laptop, because the replacement cost of the laptop will not likely exceed the net claim value on the homeowners policy which would cover personal effects in the vehicle, from which a huge dose of depreciation as well as the homeowner's deductible are subtracted.
7. Remember, the contents and the car are two separate deductibles, both of which must be paid out of pocket before any insurance remedy is provided.
8. And this is the worst part.... should you dare make a claim, your insurance rates might increase for 3 years following the claim, and a claims history will be forever part of your CLUE history (like a credit report, but for insurance companies to evaluate you as a risk). I calculated the 33% increase in premiums to be greater than the recovery the insurance would pay if I filed a claim, and was thus effectively disincentivized to actually use the insurance I've paid premiums on for 30 years with the same company.
And my laptop was not on display. It was buried inside an all black case on the floor. The car (not a Super Duty) was broken into at night, within a 16 minute window of time between parking and discovery. I don't know how they saw it, but it is gone. And all the data with it.
I recommend and use a legacy dedicated handheld factory scan tool for diagnosis. It's called the NGS, for New Generation Star tester, and it can do EVERYTHING that Ford intended to be done by a servicing dealer in the era when our trucks were still new and under warranty. It can be held in one hand, does not need software keys or dongles or passwords, it does not need updates, and it is not dependent on the workings of a Windows operating system. It is simply a robust professional tool that plugs in and works instantaneously.
It looks old, funky, and too weird for young thieves to even know what it is, let alone plan how to fence it effectively to convert it to cash. The market and universal utility of a laptop is much broader.
Whatever you get, don't leave it in the truck unless you like working with glass.
1. New side window.
2. New side window installation, unless doing it yourself.
3. Bandages, because tempered glass explodes everywhere, leaving the tiniest unseen (but felt) glass slivers everywhere inside the vehicle.
4. Clean up time. Hours of clean up time. Hours.
5. All cash out of pocket to repair, because the replacement side glass will not likely exceed the $500 deductible.
6. All cash out of pocket to replace the laptop, because the replacement cost of the laptop will not likely exceed the net claim value on the homeowners policy which would cover personal effects in the vehicle, from which a huge dose of depreciation as well as the homeowner's deductible are subtracted.
7. Remember, the contents and the car are two separate deductibles, both of which must be paid out of pocket before any insurance remedy is provided.
8. And this is the worst part.... should you dare make a claim, your insurance rates might increase for 3 years following the claim, and a claims history will be forever part of your CLUE history (like a credit report, but for insurance companies to evaluate you as a risk). I calculated the 33% increase in premiums to be greater than the recovery the insurance would pay if I filed a claim, and was thus effectively disincentivized to actually use the insurance I've paid premiums on for 30 years with the same company.
And my laptop was not on display. It was buried inside an all black case on the floor. The car (not a Super Duty) was broken into at night, within a 16 minute window of time between parking and discovery. I don't know how they saw it, but it is gone. And all the data with it.
I recommend and use a legacy dedicated handheld factory scan tool for diagnosis. It's called the NGS, for New Generation Star tester, and it can do EVERYTHING that Ford intended to be done by a servicing dealer in the era when our trucks were still new and under warranty. It can be held in one hand, does not need software keys or dongles or passwords, it does not need updates, and it is not dependent on the workings of a Windows operating system. It is simply a robust professional tool that plugs in and works instantaneously.
It looks old, funky, and too weird for young thieves to even know what it is, let alone plan how to fence it effectively to convert it to cash. The market and universal utility of a laptop is much broader.
Whatever you get, don't leave it in the truck unless you like working with glass.
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Keeping a laptop in the truck can cost a lot more money than the original cost of the laptop and the cost of the AE software and key to use it. Here are some of the extra costs:
1. New side window.
2. New side window installation, unless doing it yourself.
3. Bandages, because tempered glass explodes everywhere, leaving the tiniest unseen (but felt) glass slivers everywhere inside the vehicle.
4. Clean up time. Hours of clean up time. Hours.
5. All cash out of pocket to repair, because the replacement side glass will not likely exceed the $500 deductible.
6. All cash out of pocket to replace the laptop, because the replacement cost of the laptop will not likely exceed the net claim value on the homeowners policy which would cover personal effects in the vehicle, from which a huge dose of depreciation as well as the homeowner's deductible are subtracted.
7. Remember, the contents and the car are two separate deductibles, both of which must be paid out of pocket before any insurance remedy is provided.
8. And this is the worst part.... should you dare make a claim, your insurance rates might increase for 3 years following the claim, and a claims history will be forever part of your CLUE history (like a credit report, but for insurance companies to evaluate you as a risk). I calculated the 33% increase in premiums to be greater than the recovery the insurance would pay if I filed a claim, and was thus effectively disincentivized to actually use the insurance I've paid premiums on for 30 years with the same company.
And my laptop was not on display. It was buried inside an all black case on the floor. The car (not a Super Duty) was broken into at night, within a 16 minute window of time between parking and discovery. I don't know how they saw it, but it is gone. And all the data with it.
I recommend and use a legacy dedicated handheld factory scan tool for diagnosis. It's called the NGS, for New Generation Star tester, and it can do EVERYTHING that Ford intended to be done by a servicing dealer in the era when our trucks were still new and under warranty. It can be held in one hand, does not need software keys or dongles or passwords, it does not need updates, and it is not dependent on the workings of a Windows operating system. It is simply a robust professional tool that plugs in and works instantaneously.
It looks old, funky, and too weird for young thieves to even know what it is, let alone plan how to fence it effectively to convert it to cash. The market and universal utility of a laptop is much broader.
Whatever you get, don't leave it in the truck unless you like working with glass.
1. New side window.
2. New side window installation, unless doing it yourself.
3. Bandages, because tempered glass explodes everywhere, leaving the tiniest unseen (but felt) glass slivers everywhere inside the vehicle.
4. Clean up time. Hours of clean up time. Hours.
5. All cash out of pocket to repair, because the replacement side glass will not likely exceed the $500 deductible.
6. All cash out of pocket to replace the laptop, because the replacement cost of the laptop will not likely exceed the net claim value on the homeowners policy which would cover personal effects in the vehicle, from which a huge dose of depreciation as well as the homeowner's deductible are subtracted.
7. Remember, the contents and the car are two separate deductibles, both of which must be paid out of pocket before any insurance remedy is provided.
8. And this is the worst part.... should you dare make a claim, your insurance rates might increase for 3 years following the claim, and a claims history will be forever part of your CLUE history (like a credit report, but for insurance companies to evaluate you as a risk). I calculated the 33% increase in premiums to be greater than the recovery the insurance would pay if I filed a claim, and was thus effectively disincentivized to actually use the insurance I've paid premiums on for 30 years with the same company.
And my laptop was not on display. It was buried inside an all black case on the floor. The car (not a Super Duty) was broken into at night, within a 16 minute window of time between parking and discovery. I don't know how they saw it, but it is gone. And all the data with it.
I recommend and use a legacy dedicated handheld factory scan tool for diagnosis. It's called the NGS, for New Generation Star tester, and it can do EVERYTHING that Ford intended to be done by a servicing dealer in the era when our trucks were still new and under warranty. It can be held in one hand, does not need software keys or dongles or passwords, it does not need updates, and it is not dependent on the workings of a Windows operating system. It is simply a robust professional tool that plugs in and works instantaneously.
It looks old, funky, and too weird for young thieves to even know what it is, let alone plan how to fence it effectively to convert it to cash. The market and universal utility of a laptop is much broader.
Whatever you get, don't leave it in the truck unless you like working with glass.
Completely 100% agree with you on everything you said..... I didn't plan to leave in the truck over night or for any long amount of time unattended - bad wording I guess......
I do have a truck safe - it's supposed to be mounted wear the center console/seating is...... it looks like a seat with no back rest until you flip up the first lid - under the first lid is cup holders and such - unlock it [it's heavy gauge steal] and you can store just about anything in there..... my 97 I kept my Taurus judge and a couple other things like books and didn't even have it 1/4th full..... it very heavy and mounts wear the center seating would be...... haven't installed it yet.
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Tugly I got a torque pro and a bluethoot peace on its way.!
I'm ordering fuel pressure and egt gauges next weak!
I also got a tablet 8ich. So I should know all there is to know very soon. Thank you for your help!
I'm ordering fuel pressure and egt gauges next weak!
I also got a tablet 8ich. So I should know all there is to know very soon. Thank you for your help!
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Congratulations! I'm anxious to see the pictures.
Stinky has been parked since Christmas without a charger or being started. I left the OBDLink MX plugged into the OBDII port the whole time. I had to use Stinky on Valentine's Day, and he fired up as if I ran him the day before. So... I would dare say moving the port behind the knee panel and leaving the unit plugged in does no measurable harm.
Stinky has been parked since Christmas without a charger or being started. I left the OBDLink MX plugged into the OBDII port the whole time. I had to use Stinky on Valentine's Day, and he fired up as if I ran him the day before. So... I would dare say moving the port behind the knee panel and leaving the unit plugged in does no measurable harm.
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Congratulations! I'm anxious to see the pictures.
Stinky has been parked since Christmas without a charger or being started. I left the OBDLink MX plugged into the OBDII port the whole time. I had to use Stinky on Valentine's Day, and he fired up as if I ran him the day before. So... I would dare say moving the port behind the knee panel and leaving the unit plugged in does no measurable harm.
Stinky has been parked since Christmas without a charger or being started. I left the OBDLink MX plugged into the OBDII port the whole time. I had to use Stinky on Valentine's Day, and he fired up as if I ran him the day before. So... I would dare say moving the port behind the knee panel and leaving the unit plugged in does no measurable harm.
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Congratulations! I'm anxious to see the pictures.
Stinky has been parked since Christmas without a charger or being started. I left the OBDLink MX plugged into the OBDII port the whole time. I had to use Stinky on Valentine's Day, and he fired up as if I ran him the day before. So... I would dare say moving the port behind the knee panel and leaving the unit plugged in does no measurable harm.
Stinky has been parked since Christmas without a charger or being started. I left the OBDLink MX plugged into the OBDII port the whole time. I had to use Stinky on Valentine's Day, and he fired up as if I ran him the day before. So... I would dare say moving the port behind the knee panel and leaving the unit plugged in does no measurable harm.
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As for those switches where did you find the black backing for them? I didn't see them on the company's web site? And how hard are the gauges to see ? Do you think angles gauge mounts would make them a little more visibly?
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Below is a link to the switch holder. There are several different options, but I went with the 6 switch holder for $9.50
OTRATTW :: Accessories :: Switch Holders & Accessories
My Pyro can be seen just fine the way it is mounted. I do believe it would be nice to have the angled mount like Clay offers on his 650 dash, but I have not had any issues with viewing. Pyro is only really watched to establish a baseline or when pulling really steep grades.
What you don't see in my truck or any other 650 installation is the secondary fuse holder to distribute power to everything. It's easy enough to get low power for the rocker lights, but to get the relay power to drive the device (Air compressor, Baja Lights, ect...) you need a fuse block. I used the large one from this site too.
http://www.otrattw.net/Fuse-Holders-and-Fuses/ ($37.50)
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