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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by aawlberninf350
I've heard of IPRs dying when warm. The solenoids fail when they get hot. Next time it happens pour some ice down around the IPR and give it a few minutes to cool. If it starts normally that's likely the issue. Solenoids are not available separately, gotta buy the whole enchilada.
I had my IPR solenoid go out a couple of years ago. Cranks forever when warm, but no start until the solenoid cooled down enough (~15-20 minutes). The only difference, maybe, is that when mine did get warm, the truck just died like someone turned the ignition off. It didn't matter where or what I was doing - 55 MPH down the freeway hauling the travel trailer or sitting empty in the left hand turn lane during rush hour traffic. It is something I would rule out, though. The ice water does do the trick. Picked mine up from Riffraff, too. Someone could put away a few bucks if they found a way to sell just the solenoid.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2015 | 09:50 AM
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Nice info on the Hot IPR solenoid guys. I'll have to remember that one.


Try the ice test they mentioned.


Do you have a bud that has Android? If not, time to make the switch man. You can get an Android device with Bluetooth pretty cheap then get the Bluetooth OBII adapter. If you can swing it it will be a good investment as you can monitor a lot of vitals live driving down the road.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 12:15 PM
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Haven't had a chance to try any method. Have noticed it takes less cool down time for the truck to start normally again but with the temperature being in the teens that is to be expected.

Another thing I read was if the starter RPM was too low. Should be 100rpm for cold start and 180 for warm. Is there any way to tell, again without diagnostic tools, what the rpms are?

Info I found for warm start problems:
http://oregonfuelinjection.com/pdf/f...diagnostic.pdf
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 04:03 PM
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This from the posted diagnostic pdf...

When trying to diagnose hard start or no start issues a scan tool is
needed to check and monitor the ICP (Injection Control Pressure),
RPM (From the CMP) Vehicle Voltage during cranking and PW
(Pulse Width) signal.
1. RPM, minimum 100 rpm cranking speed (When warm it should be
over 180 rpm)
I would imagine this would be the RPM measured on the dashboard tach.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by phinner
This from the posted diagnostic pdf...



I would imagine this would be the RPM measured on the dashboard tach.

That's what I thought but my tach doesn't register until the truck has started
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 05:46 PM
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You're going to need some sort of scan tool, in all likelihood. To really diagnose this, you'll want to know RPMs, ICP and IPR duty cycle, and vehicle voltage at a minimum.
 
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