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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 11:54 AM
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Need help: Dumb boost leak detector question

When testing for a boost leak, with the tester plumbed in after the CCV (toward the turbo) I still get tons of air out the CCV, even on a warm motor. Why is that? The motor is in great shape, with little blowby shown by the oil cap test.

I know I have boost leak (higher EGT's, much lower boost and more smoke with the new ported housing wheel than before), but I'll never be able to find it/them with the CCV preventing pressurization.

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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:06 PM
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That's an indication of low compression. The air is able to get past the rings or valve guides in one or more cylinders. How much pressure are you able to build?
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:15 PM
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I can get about 14psi, and it bleeds down through the CCV. Maybe that's good enough, as I can't find any soapy bubbles anywhere else. I did find one obvious leak, at the fitting for the plastic boost gauge tube. (I despise gauges that use these tubes, and would never buy another one.)

I've never done a compression test on this thing in the 11+ years I've had it, but I suppose I should. I'd think if compression were that bad, the upside down oil cap would come off the filler tube pretty quick, and it doesn't.

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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:33 PM
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There's gonna be some air coming out of the CCV, but you said there was a "ton" of air. How long does it take for the pressure to bleed off after you stop the air flow? When I did mine, I took it to 20psi and it would leak down in about 5 seconds or so.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:44 PM
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OK, I guess that's about what I'm seeing. Actually mine bleeds down more slowly, but I'm not taking the pressure as high. It actually takes awhile to bleed to zero.

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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 02:00 PM
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And another little piece of me dies... I did have a boost leak from that infernal gauge, but the real problem was the wastegate arm incorrectly oriented, and holding the gate open. [sigh]

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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 05:49 PM
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I have to ask... are you putting the boost leak detector straight on the turbo inlet boot, or are you going through the tee to the CCV?
 
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 05:59 PM
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Straight into the turbo inlet, with the plastic CCV piece removed.

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No accusation... just being thorough. A lot of puff in the CCV? I guess the next test would be to pop the VCs and the glow plugs, then do a compression test. One quickie test would be to rotate the engine one cylinder at a time by puffing each GP hole with air through a rubber nozzle. I've done that, and it's kinduh cool. This was how I found a loose injector the first time - it popped up (bolt out).
 
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No worries - not taken as such. I think what I'm seeing is normal, but not what I expected. My naïve expectation was that the intake side of these things is a closed system, and that's just not the case, else there'd be no need for a CCV. I was able to bring it up to 14psi with no bubbles anywhere, so I think any boost leaks have been fixed. 29psi on my boost gauge seems to confirm that, so I think I'm good.

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If the camshaft has an intake valve open, you'll get air going past the rings. It'll get through the end gaps in them.
 
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If the camshaft has an intake valve open, you'll get air going past the rings. It'll get through the end gaps in them.
That makes perfect sense.

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