Sorry, No clue on Scangauge, I use DashBoss.

Josh

 

So did the HPOP fix the problem?

 

Slightly slow start this morning, maybe 5 to 7 seconds. Don't know if that is due to any remaining air in the system after the HPOP change. Otherwise has started up quickly since then during the day. She will sit from midday until tomorrow AM so lets see what I get.

Other than that the truck is running very smoothly.

Mark

 

Did you do 2 or 3 medium to hard throttle runs after you got it back together? That aids in getting air out of the system.

 

Looks like we have gotten to the bottom of this. Fired up nice and quickly the last couple of mornings after cold soak and no problems on hot or cold starts in between. Running smoooooothly with lots of power and readings appear to be normal.

Thanks for everyone's help and input on this issue. You guys rock and are always willing to come to a stranger's aid and share your knowledge. A big thank you.

Mark

 

Great to know that you got her running again, Mark.

 

Congrats on getting her going.

 

OH OH the solution is still up in the air. This morning had a really long crank again, thought it was never going to fire. And by long I mean more than 30 seconds two or three attempts on the starter motor to avoid overheating the starter. (batteries turning her over nice and strong and quickly). Parked on flat ground.
All the time I am cranking I am seeing ICP in the 900 to 1000 range and ICV of at least 1.0 to 1.25.
I unfortunately never looked at the low pressure oil gauge on the dash to see if it had come up. (Is there an Xgauge code to read this?) I didn't have the FICM set as one of the 4 gauges during the crank but it is in sync and it is reading 48 volts.
Truck has new standpipe and dummy plugs 12K miles ago with a new set of injectors.

Funny thing is once she is started up once, she fires right back up immediately for the rest of the day. Truck had been sitting since about 11AM yesterday when I went out at 7AM this morning to the troublesome start.

Where to go from here. Symptoms started right after engine and injector harness replacement but if that was an issue why would she fire up promptly all the time except after cold soak. Once started she runs incredibly smoothly with lots of power. New fuel pump 10K ago filters 500 miles ago and plenty of pressure when tested last week.
Still feels to me like a oil problem kinda like when you change injectors it takes forever to re-prime the rail.

Mar 2004 Build 6.0 210K Miles

Any and all suggestions please.


Mark

 

There are 2 different synchs btw

Josh

 

Thanks Josh,

Anyone know the scan gauge Xcodes for the "other FICM sync"
This is the only FICM SYNC that I could find

<table class="tablepress tablepress-id-42" id="tablepress-42"><tbody class="row-hover"><tr class="row-11 odd"><td class="column-1">FICM signals for Camshaft and Crankshaft positions are in sync
</td><td class="column-2">07E02209CD</td><td class="column-3">0462050906CD</td><td class="column-4">3601</td><td class="column-5">000100010000</td><td class="column-6">SYC</td><td class="column-7">1 = in sync, 0 = not in sync</td></tr></tbody></table>
Anyone shed some light on, if it is the other sync problem, why it would only be on a cold soak issue.


Mark

 

I have these 4 but they're all the same sensor:
FSN 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3601 000100010000 FICM-sync 0=NO, 1=Yes
SYC 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3000 000100010000 SYC CAM/CRANK POSITION SENSOR SYNC (1= IN SYNC)
SYC 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3001 000100010000 SYC ALTERNATE
SYC 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3701 000100010000 SYC ALTERNATE

And I hate to even bring this up, but it could be a bad pump. It wouldn't be the first pump I'd seen come from Ford bad, "new reman" in the box.

 

Does Scangauge combine the synchs into one PID? Dashboss is set up that way.

We encountered a bad out of the box Ford HPOP at work not too long ago, so yeah... it happens.

I still think the issue is electrical and nothing to do and never had anything to do with the HPOP.

Josh

 

[quote=npccpartsman;13365903]I have these 4 but they're all the same sensor:
FSN 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3601 000100010000 FICM-sync 0=NO, 1=Yes
SYC 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3000 000100010000 SYC CAM/CRANK POSITION SENSOR SYNC (1= IN SYNC)
SYC 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3001 000100010000 SYC ALTERNATE
SYC 07E02209CD 0462050906CD 3701 000100010000 SYC ALTERNATE

And I hate to even bring this up, but it could be a bad pump. It wouldn't be the first pump I'd seen come from Ford bad, "new reman" in the box.[/quote]
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Explain to me in layman's terms what the other sync functions are telling me if I plug them in.

Again if it were electrical, why would it only be on a cold soak start and why would it fire / run perfectly on subsequent starts?

As to the bad pump diagnosis, an air pressure test would be the diagnosis correct.

I guess I can run her up on ramps tonight to get the nose down slope, or should I go the other way with nose up to exaggerate the issue.

Timeline Pump installed Thurs, Fri very slight slow cold soak crank (air in lines from change??) Sat Fine, Sun Fine, Mon fine, Tues very long crank to fire, and no problems with any other start during the days.

Four possible problems, 1. Fuel, 2. Electrical, 3. HP oil, or 4. Low pressure oil. Eeny, Meanie, Miney, Mo.

Thanks in advance everyone who has or will chime in.

Mark

 

I have encountered tons of electrical issues that were troublesome cold and fine hot. Solder joints and circuit boards, resistors, bad capacitors, connectors etc.

Seems kind of fishy it all started with a replacement harness right?

Josh

 

I don't know about the SGII combining PID's Josh. I'm not even sure exactly how it reads them. I've never been able to even use that function while starting because my truck cranks quicker than the SG can update.

I think the alternate sync functions may still give you the same reading but, honestly, I've never used them. It's been sooo long since I did any SGII PID programming that I've forgotten what each value represents exactly. Some of the MAT/IAT2 PID's work with different trucks differently also.

One or two simple things you can also do.

Get the truck code scanned.

Check the CPS and (if possible) the CKS plugs for oil contamination. Park your truck on nose down so that HPO oil stays in the pump overnight. Watch sync PID closely in the morning. IF it does start quickly then I would park it nose UP the next night to see if it's cranky on the next start. You might also want to do an air test just to see if you had something else in the HPO system fail.

If it's indeed electrical like Josh is thinking then Sync is the first suspect. If it's not sync then FICM could still be bad.