Bellowed up pipes?
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They cost twice as much cause some yahoo's will still pay for them even when there is a better priced option out there that will last just as long. Just sayin'...
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Don't take this the wrong way as in personally but it is you I am directly speaking with, it's you who is attempting to justify a lost cause.
You are not Riff Raff. You are not DI performance. I don't know what you have going on as for customers or a business but it's not on their level, not in any way shape or form. There's a reason they are world renowned as the best of the best and it's not because they sell and back knock offs.
Don't you think they know something you don't? If Dorman's were that good of an option don't you think the elitist of the pro's would be offering them?
You are not Riff Raff. You are not DI performance. I don't know what you have going on as for customers or a business but it's not on their level, not in any way shape or form. There's a reason they are world renowned as the best of the best and it's not because they sell and back knock offs.
Don't you think they know something you don't? If Dorman's were that good of an option don't you think the elitist of the pro's would be offering them?
The reason they don't sell Dorman is they can't buy quantities of Dorman parts large enough to compete with the big parts sellers. It's economics that drive businesses, not oe or not.
If OE was sooooo important the aftermarket business would be no good. Not to mention there is a large percentage of time that OE gets it's parts from an "aftermarket" supplier.
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I've seen the Chinese methodoligy for manufacture, studied up on the philosophical differences in the workplace, and learned about their cultural approach to politics (owners/policy makers of businesses). It's not about which Chinese plant makes what product, it's about "If we cheapen it, they will buy". That's it. Period. They copy something somebody else makes, they find an uber-cheap way to manufacture it (no corner gets left uncut), then offer it up on the market. There's a demand for this product in particular, and it's expensive, so it's ripe for copying. Some supplier looks in the Chinese catalog and says "yea... somebody will buy it" and they order a few containers worth. The supplier advertises it and somebody out there says "Oh! Look how much money I can save! After I get that installed, we'll go to Wal*Mart and buy their least expensive blender to make a celebratory Margarita."
Sorry... I have some thoughts on the "Made in China" label and it's a challenge to keep that corralled.
Sorry... I have some thoughts on the "Made in China" label and it's a challenge to keep that corralled.
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This conversation started about a specific part at a certain price. Now we are talking Chinese philosophy and international economics....Very interesting. TCR, you have me scratching my head over here. Nothing you said in this thread makes any sense to me.
I would buy the Dormans and cut the collector bolts again in a heartbeat. Just sayin....
If Made in America means we have to pay MORE THAN twice the price, we have more problems than China. I will not be fleeced for any cause. I challenge you guys to find out what AMERICAN factory those IH up-pipes are being made in. I will be impressed then, but I will still buy the Dorman up-pipes, and only the Dorman up-pipes, because that is ALL we should be talking about in this thread. Take the politics down to the free-for-all forum where it belongs.
I would buy the Dormans and cut the collector bolts again in a heartbeat. Just sayin....
If Made in America means we have to pay MORE THAN twice the price, we have more problems than China. I will not be fleeced for any cause. I challenge you guys to find out what AMERICAN factory those IH up-pipes are being made in. I will be impressed then, but I will still buy the Dorman up-pipes, and only the Dorman up-pipes, because that is ALL we should be talking about in this thread. Take the politics down to the free-for-all forum where it belongs.
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Good point... it's a hot topic and we should stick with this product alone.
I have been involved with the purchase of Chinese-made galvanized pipe in a previous career. This is not too dissimilar from an up-pipe for this conversation. It looked like a pipe, smelled like a pipe, and held water pressure like the Made-in-USA stuff... but we had waaay too many failures within a short time of installation. I can't know what part of the process was different that made short-lived pipe, but we lost a lot of money on redos... more than we saved on the price of the pipe.
I have other specific examples, but they would not fit into a Dorman uppipe discussion.
I have been involved with the purchase of Chinese-made galvanized pipe in a previous career. This is not too dissimilar from an up-pipe for this conversation. It looked like a pipe, smelled like a pipe, and held water pressure like the Made-in-USA stuff... but we had waaay too many failures within a short time of installation. I can't know what part of the process was different that made short-lived pipe, but we lost a lot of money on redos... more than we saved on the price of the pipe.
I have other specific examples, but they would not fit into a Dorman uppipe discussion.
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From: Hampstead, NC
That's the key line there. There are no other examples that fit here. The fact is, less a bolt being to long, these work fine for everyone that has used them. At this point the only difference is a bunch of people have $200 + in there pocket still...
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To the guys who have installed the China pipes:
I am having issues with a leak where the manifold meets the up pipe. I am very worried about breaking another bolt. Have you ran into this issues and how did you over come it?
If its not Jap it's crap!!! Hahaha JOKING
I am having issues with a leak where the manifold meets the up pipe. I am very worried about breaking another bolt. Have you ran into this issues and how did you over come it?
If its not Jap it's crap!!! Hahaha JOKING
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I did not have that issue. Mine seated very well on my manifolds, but I cleaned them real good with sandpaper before I mated them up. You shouldn't have to torque them down much to get them to seal with a clean/smooth surface on the manifold. Did you have much rust on the old pipes/manifold?
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Good advise right there. I did make sure to tighten them a little at a time on each one until they were torqued properly. Might make a difference for ya.
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So I remember tightening each bolt little by little.
However I just checked the bolts and one didn't appear screwed in as much as the other.
Tightened the other bolt down more and now she purrs like a kitten.
Well and kitten that has been drinking scotch and smoking cigarettes it's whole life.
No more leak!!!
I will check in a month of so and if the same thing happens I will put some lock tight on or maybe stage eight bolt set...
However I just checked the bolts and one didn't appear screwed in as much as the other.
Tightened the other bolt down more and now she purrs like a kitten.
Well and kitten that has been drinking scotch and smoking cigarettes it's whole life.
No more leak!!!
I will check in a month of so and if the same thing happens I will put some lock tight on or maybe stage eight bolt set...
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Best of the best? LOL
The reason they don't sell Dorman is they can't buy quantities of Dorman parts large enough to compete with the big parts sellers. It's economics that drive businesses, not oe or not.
If OE was sooooo important the aftermarket business would be no good. Not to mention there is a large percentage of time that OE gets it's parts from an "aftermarket" supplier.
The reason they don't sell Dorman is they can't buy quantities of Dorman parts large enough to compete with the big parts sellers. It's economics that drive businesses, not oe or not.
If OE was sooooo important the aftermarket business would be no good. Not to mention there is a large percentage of time that OE gets it's parts from an "aftermarket" supplier.
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From: Hampstead, NC
Chinas choice, my Money.