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OK , tryed the full tank and it helped for a while unscrewed the cap well anouther words lets keep going,
ICP=koeo=13/14 low=582 hi=1438
ICV=koeo=o.o5 then 0.24
IPR=koeo=14.4 lo=22.1 hi=41.5
VGT=koeo=0 lo=85 hi=45
EBP=koeo=14.3 lo=16/15.9 hi=20.1
BAR=koeo=0 lo=0 hi=0
EOT=koeo=4.96 lo=4.96 hi=4.96
VLT=koeo=12.4 lo=13.1/13.4 hi=13.3
MAP=koeo=14.4 lo=14.6 hi=15.5
FMP=koeo=47.5/48 lo=48.5 hi=47.0
IA=koeo=154f lo=119f hi=137f
WT=koeo=172f lo=181f hi=191/195f
AT SURGE=
EBP=16.1
FMP=45.0
VGT=85/79
ICP=30.0
Did I do this right there was other things i put in but no reading (CVI, FP,} thanks guys
ICP=koeo=13/14 low=582 hi=1438
ICV=koeo=o.o5 then 0.24
IPR=koeo=14.4 lo=22.1 hi=41.5
VGT=koeo=0 lo=85 hi=45
EBP=koeo=14.3 lo=16/15.9 hi=20.1
BAR=koeo=0 lo=0 hi=0
EOT=koeo=4.96 lo=4.96 hi=4.96
VLT=koeo=12.4 lo=13.1/13.4 hi=13.3
MAP=koeo=14.4 lo=14.6 hi=15.5
FMP=koeo=47.5/48 lo=48.5 hi=47.0
IA=koeo=154f lo=119f hi=137f
WT=koeo=172f lo=181f hi=191/195f
AT SURGE=
EBP=16.1
FMP=45.0
VGT=85/79
ICP=30.0
Did I do this right there was other things i put in but no reading (CVI, FP,} thanks guys
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Bradford, slow down and get your head into this! ! You posted ICV at KOEO 0.05 ???? Are you sure?? EOT gauge is still not right ( engine oil temperature ) you posted. 4.96 degrees. It should be close to 200 degrees. Do your self a favor and re check all your X gauges and make sure you have them entered correctly. Big Red suggested cleaning the Turbo, have you entered the Boost X gauge to see if your Turbo is working properly (not rusted up, vanes sweeping like they should?
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Honestly, I'm writeing it down as I see it the gauge said 0.05 for amoment then went to 0.24 I put the / as I read it the numbers that I have from Blades I made sure they are correct been over them several times I even went to scangauge web went to ford xgauge 6.0 1998 and older vehicals I tryed there # some were different still got the same then changed it back to Blades numbers I know something is not right ,I may have to have you enter for me I can send my e-mail then exchange phone# this is frustrating I know the numbers are all in .
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Hello Gents, Is the V-ref EOT I have those numbers under eot, I just got home from work have'nt had time to get back on this hopefully tomarrow also will check all # how does the rest of # look ( ICP, VGT, FMP, map,ipr,ebp ,baro stayed the same too and the CVI never gave me # or FP} I had some 00 in some places they shouldent have been like at the end of the number. I feel like a Green horn Oh ya I am with the gauge but learning .VEERRYY Sloooly
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new readings
ICP= koeo=65, lo=581, hi=1455/1524
ICV=koeo=0.29, lo=0.82, hi=1.66/158
IPR= koeo=14.4, lo=19.0/22.1 ,hi=40.2
CVI=koeo=4, lo=4, hi=4
VGT=koeo=0, lo=85, hi=43/45
EBP=koeo=14.5, lo=20.9/16.0, hi=20.1
BARO=koeo=14.7, lo=14.7, hi=14.7
map=koeo=14.6, lo=14.7, hi=16.0
FMP=koeo=47.5, lo=47.0, hi=48.0
EOT=koeo=179,lo=180, hi=179
BST= ? entered scanGII #
txd= 07E221440 rxf=046285140640 rxd=3010, mth=001D0050xxxx
I entered 0000 for the xxxx at koeo no psi came up in the gauge ?
ICV=koeo=0.29, lo=0.82, hi=1.66/158
IPR= koeo=14.4, lo=19.0/22.1 ,hi=40.2
CVI=koeo=4, lo=4, hi=4
VGT=koeo=0, lo=85, hi=43/45
EBP=koeo=14.5, lo=20.9/16.0, hi=20.1
BARO=koeo=14.7, lo=14.7, hi=14.7
map=koeo=14.6, lo=14.7, hi=16.0
FMP=koeo=47.5, lo=47.0, hi=48.0
EOT=koeo=179,lo=180, hi=179
BST= ? entered scanGII #
txd= 07E221440 rxf=046285140640 rxd=3010, mth=001D0050xxxx
I entered 0000 for the xxxx at koeo no psi came up in the gauge ?
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My CVI number looks wrong I tryed scan gauge .com # the only diff MTH# is 00013330000 and the # Benny sent was 006433330000 also I tryed the BST # and not getting anything for boost it said to enter 0000 in place of xxxx koeo and you will get the volts well nothing came up so I cant enter the code for BST any suggestions Thank you .
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Well they starting to Look Better by far
But CVI should be 5 Volts or really close 4.98v
Part of the Issue with getting a scangaugeII after you have problems is you have to decide if the Gauge is Wrong code or Could that be the problem?????????Really makes it tough
I can check the X-Codes your using but a DVOM might be the ticket to
Your ICV at KOEO at .29volt is High so have you tried to unplug the ICP sensor and drive the truck and see if the surging goes away sorrey I cant remember this could also be from a CVI Problem what Im not shure on yet
But CVI should be 5 Volts or really close 4.98v
Part of the Issue with getting a scangaugeII after you have problems is you have to decide if the Gauge is Wrong code or Could that be the problem?????????Really makes it tough
I can check the X-Codes your using but a DVOM might be the ticket to
Your ICV at KOEO at .29volt is High so have you tried to unplug the ICP sensor and drive the truck and see if the surging goes away sorrey I cant remember this could also be from a CVI Problem what Im not shure on yet
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I Tryed to unhook ICP wire my hand could barly fit thru all the hoses and stuff in the way, I'll Try again tomarrow may have to take the big turbo hose off so I dont loose any hide or brake any thing Thanks .
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ya its a PIA might have to unbolt the Degass Bottle and Push to Side same with the FICM
Then take a Long Pick and unhoook the Catch and pull the Wire
Iv changed the ICP under the Turbbo on mine to from the Top didnt unhook any Turbo Lines
Just these
Took out the Air Filter and Tubes to the turbo
Moved Degass Bottle to side
Removed FICM
and then changed the ICP
And beleive it or not the Hard part was plugging the ICP IN for me
Then take a Long Pick and unhoook the Catch and pull the Wire
Iv changed the ICP under the Turbbo on mine to from the Top didnt unhook any Turbo Lines
Just these
Took out the Air Filter and Tubes to the turbo
Moved Degass Bottle to side
Removed FICM
and then changed the ICP
And beleive it or not the Hard part was plugging the ICP IN for me
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Thanks Benny, I just came back from Tech folder look like the best way would be from the topside the fact that you can see what ur grabin should the ICP and IPR be replaced at the same time ? while in there I could dig up the funds, how does the IPR look ? the truck surged yesterday all day, ran like a champ no problems at all today?
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Id just see what happens Either one can cause a Surge ICP or IPR
the IPR will surge if the Screen Clogs with Junk but usually dont surge to long before the Valve compleatly blows out and would surge Always untill blowout not on one day off the Next
The ICP will also cause Surge condition
Even a wire chaffe or V-Ref could cause a Surge and I wonder about this cause you say Good one day and Surge the Next
Did you get any Numbers during the Surge ?????????????????????
I wouldnt just start changing Valves and sensors yet the way it acts I have doubts its either ICP or IPR
if you unplug the ICP and still surges then the ICP is GOOD when you unplug ICP the PCM uses what called Inferred ICP so the sensor is taken out the Picture this sensor is Cut and Dried Good Or BAD
If you pull the IPR and screen is Good then IPR is likely Good
Will just have to take as it comes
the IPR will surge if the Screen Clogs with Junk but usually dont surge to long before the Valve compleatly blows out and would surge Always untill blowout not on one day off the Next
The ICP will also cause Surge condition
Even a wire chaffe or V-Ref could cause a Surge and I wonder about this cause you say Good one day and Surge the Next
Did you get any Numbers during the Surge ?????????????????????
I wouldnt just start changing Valves and sensors yet the way it acts I have doubts its either ICP or IPR
if you unplug the ICP and still surges then the ICP is GOOD when you unplug ICP the PCM uses what called Inferred ICP so the sensor is taken out the Picture this sensor is Cut and Dried Good Or BAD
If you pull the IPR and screen is Good then IPR is likely Good
Will just have to take as it comes
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ICP= koeo=65, lo=581, hi=1455/1524
ICV=koeo=0.29, lo=0.82, hi=1.66/158
IPR= koeo=14.4, lo=19.0/22.1 ,hi=40.2
CVI=koeo=4, lo=4, hi=4
VGT=koeo=0, lo=85, hi=43/45
EBP=koeo=14.5, lo=20.9/16.0, hi=20.1
BARO=koeo=14.7, lo=14.7, hi=14.7
map=koeo=14.6, lo=14.7, hi=16.0
FMP=koeo=47.5, lo=47.0, hi=48.0
EOT=koeo=179,lo=180, hi=179
BST= ? entered scanGII #
txd= 07E221440 rxf=046285140640 rxd=3010, mth=001D0050xxxx
I entered 0000 for the xxxx at koeo no psi came up in the gauge ?
ICV=koeo=0.29, lo=0.82, hi=1.66/158
IPR= koeo=14.4, lo=19.0/22.1 ,hi=40.2
CVI=koeo=4, lo=4, hi=4
VGT=koeo=0, lo=85, hi=43/45
EBP=koeo=14.5, lo=20.9/16.0, hi=20.1
BARO=koeo=14.7, lo=14.7, hi=14.7
map=koeo=14.6, lo=14.7, hi=16.0
FMP=koeo=47.5, lo=47.0, hi=48.0
EOT=koeo=179,lo=180, hi=179
BST= ? entered scanGII #
txd= 07E221440 rxf=046285140640 rxd=3010, mth=001D0050xxxx
I entered 0000 for the xxxx at koeo no psi came up in the gauge ?
Here is the Boost X-Code I have its Diffrent than what you have in the Last MTH Part
BST 07E0221440 046285140640 3010 01220320**** Boost (PSI). In order to get the proper boost value enter the MAP XGauge. Get a reading
from it with the key in the on position but the engine off. Based on the reading change
the last 4 digits of the MTH value that corresponds to your reading in the table to the
right.
from it with the key in the on position but the engine off. Based on the reading change
the last 4 digits of the MTH value that corresponds to your reading in the table to the
right.
14.0
‐‐ FF74
14.1
‐‐ FF73
14.2
‐‐ FF72
14.3
‐‐ FF71
14.4
‐‐ FF70
14.5
‐‐ FF6F
14.6
‐‐ FF6E
14.7
‐‐ FF6D
14.8
‐‐ FF6C
14.9
‐‐ FF6B
15.0 ‐‐ FF6A
and Use MAP Value at KOEO to get the Last 4 digits
15.0 ‐‐ FF6A
and Use MAP Value at KOEO to get the Last 4 digits
are any of these during Surge?? the values at the top??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????
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Thanks Benny, I'll input new # in the morning
untill I get the gauge at its best and we know the reading are correct I can give you alot better info so as current reading at surge?
IPR=lo- went from 19. /22.1 to 25.0/30.0
EBP=lo-16.1
FMP= lo-45.0
VGT=from 85 to 79
when I went from Idoil to 1900 2000 feels like running on 6/7 cyl up to 2500 good back to Idiol runs rough but not all the time or every test
untill I get the gauge at its best and we know the reading are correct I can give you alot better info so as current reading at surge?
IPR=lo- went from 19. /22.1 to 25.0/30.0
EBP=lo-16.1
FMP= lo-45.0
VGT=from 85 to 79
when I went from Idoil to 1900 2000 feels like running on 6/7 cyl up to 2500 good back to Idiol runs rough but not all the time or every test
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Thanks Benny, I'll input new # in the morning
untill I get the gauge at its best and we know the reading are correct I can give you alot better info so as current reading at surge?
IPR=lo- went from 19. /22.1 to 25.0/30.0
EBP=lo-16.1
FMP= lo-45.0
VGT=from 85 to 79
when I went from Idoil to 1900 2000 feels like running on 6/7 cyl up to 2500 good back to Idiol runs rough but not all the time or every test
untill I get the gauge at its best and we know the reading are correct I can give you alot better info so as current reading at surge?
IPR=lo- went from 19. /22.1 to 25.0/30.0
EBP=lo-16.1
FMP= lo-45.0
VGT=from 85 to 79
when I went from Idoil to 1900 2000 feels like running on 6/7 cyl up to 2500 good back to Idiol runs rough but not all the time or every test
That makes me thhink ICP Sensor or Wireing problem
If the PCM could see the Surge it would Hold the IPR% way Down instead yours is High
the one in red was all at Idel