As a matter of fact if the air was hotter around the trans pan it would be absorbing heat. Heat does in fact travel to cold, the greater the delta the faster it travels.
The air around the trans pan is NOT hotter than the pan on most of our trucks. You can say what you will about exhaust pipes and front air dams. Traveling 45-80mph on an average day in the US, the air across that pan is not hotter.

Its great that you worked with these trannys years ago. It really is. But maybe that's what is keeping YOU so hung up on thinking it is perfect in completely stock form. I preform development testing on turbine engines for a living, so yes, I do know a bit about thermodynamics. Nice how you throw in the higher temp statement while attempting belittle my knowledge. Nice try
If you have no proof of your testing we cant see the test conditions you speak of. So I'm going to tell you that I think you are wrong. I wont continue to argue with you about it.


Moving on now if you can keep it zipped shut???


AGE Mechanic,

I can appreciate your stance and willing to defend it but seriously dude, show some respect. From what I understand Mark K is THE guy you want to talk to about transmissions, especially these. Do you have hard facts to back your information?

Rep points don't come easy on this site especially when you have a $h*tload of reps as Mark K has from helping people on this site....just my opinion....relax

Bismic,
Thank you again for the help

Joe

 

I have been around here a long time and I did say that its my theory that the pans can help some. I have no info to back my claim and the claim of many others. He cannot produce anything to back his claim. I am all for scientific fact and was seriously interested in what the testing conditions were to support his claim.
I have seen many of his posts over the years and I respect the fact that he was an engineer on this trans. I do not respect the way he attempts to dumb down others with differing opinions.
I think you are making the right move going with the newer pan and filter. Everyone should do it when they service their tranny's next.

 

Sounds good....I like the fact I can change the internal filter to a REAL filter.....that is why I am so hyped about the '08 trans. I am not sure he made any reference to anyone being dumb, just offering his facts and advice.

Good Luck

 

Man this is great seeing how a simple ??? turned into the so much BULL SH-T but it was interesting reading. But the setup ford gave us is full poof and beside adding a filter which would be helpful doesn't need any modding . Example my friend has a chevy 01 2500 8.1 liter with the allison his normal trans temps empty 195 -200 that just around town and running down interstate . Put trailer behind it 210-220 . My TS has never been above 185 and that with 12 to 13 k of dump trailer behind it . HELL ITS FINE SPEND YOUR MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE .

 

The difference is that you have an opinion with no facts, just your assertion that you think it should work that way. I have told you about testing I have done where I measured what you want to work and found that it didn't.

You are of course welcome to ignore what I tell you because I refuse to steal the testing from my former employer and post it here for your review.

 

Oh..Ok, Actually the Difference is that you have your assertion that you remember certain results to a test you performed under unknown conditions. You have told us of a test you've done. The specific test conditions you were in have everything to do with the results. As an engineer you know this. One test condition does not give you enough data. You would have to test at a multitude of ambient temps, elevations, speed, vehicle heights and the list continues.

You of course are welcome to ignore what I tell you because I have no test data to support my claim either. So there we are, its still a personal choice. It is time to move on from this.

 

You're onto something here......I definitely will be upgrading to the '08 pan and full flow filter.....I should have done that a while ago.

Thanks for the help....

.AGEmechanic....do you have a tft gauge and if so under similiar conditions, what type of temp drop did you see from the time you r&r'd to your new setup?

Thanks for the help
Joe

 

My stock 06 Transmission has an internal filter, what is the difference between that and the 08?

 

I just use my CTS monitor. It does not monitor the temp in the pan. It is very difficult to say how much of an improvement there is. The last time I pulled my ToyHauler (12.5K lbs.) up the mountains here in AZ, The CTS monitor was recording a 188degF TFT. This was on a 108 degree day pulling a 6 mile 1500' to 5900'. I am pleased with that. But I have never tried to compare or do a before and after test.

At the very least you are improving your truck going with the newer pan and filter. Stock or aftermarket really doesn't matter much. I couldnt justify spending $250+ dollars on a aluminum pan. I went with the Derale, I paid around $130 for it. It holds an additional 8 quarts and I can use the new filter.

 

The 03 thru 07's have an internal screen that stops rocks and boulders and relies on the external bypass filter. The 08 and above have a real full flow internal filter.

 

The 06's internal filter is little better then a screen. The 08's is a actual filter.

Other then that I agree that there is really no reason to change the pan. But I doubt highly it doesn't do anything. I bet you Mag hytec has some results of testing.

 

Not a bad deal either.....so yours also utilizes the newer stock full flow filter?

 

I got help now. Lets get him...
Too funny.

I had the Mag-Hytec trans pan and Diff covers on my old 01 Cummins. They make a nice product for sure. Times are tighter over the last 4 years so I went the cheaper route.

 

Yes it does.

 

The 08 pan is $55 at Tousley