Notices
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel  

Ignition Intermittent Problem

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 6, 2012 | 08:19 AM
  #1  
contramundum's Avatar
contramundum
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Ignition Intermittent Problem

I've got a 1996 F250, 7.3L, 4x4, manual transmission. My problem is that my truck will have times where it will start right up and times where I have to release the clutch, turn back the ignition and try again for many times. What does this mean? I am at a loss of words and not well versed in these trucks. It seems like some intermittent problem, I just changed the starter earlier this year. Please help, thanks!
 
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2012 | 10:01 AM
  #2  
farmert's Avatar
farmert
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,111
Likes: 1,546
From: western SD
Have you checked the nuteral safty switch located on the clutch master cylinder push rod, located under the dash? When it fails to crank over, does it make any sound, or is it just dead? Is the bushing on the cluch rod, where it attaches to the clutch peddle cross over rod good? Intermittent problems can be a beach to hunt down sometimes.
 
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2012 | 10:27 PM
  #3  
contramundum's Avatar
contramundum
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by farmert
Have you checked the nuteral safty switch located on the clutch master cylinder push rod, located under the dash? No, I have not checked that. Should it be obvious what is wrong? or what exactly am I looking for on the push rod? When it fails to crank over, does it make any sound, or is it just dead? It's just dead, I noticed today that if I pump the clutch up and down rapidly it eventually starts up. Is the bushing on the cluch rod, where it attaches to the clutch peddle cross over rod good? I have not checked this yet. I did have a problem starting a few weeks ago that I could not get it into reverse and someone on this forum told me it had to do with a bushing on the clutch somewhere. I never checked out that bushing as I was told I could get it into gear if I placed it in 1st or 4th gear first, then into reverse. I took the easy way out. I suppose it's time to change that bushing :-) Intermittent problems can be a beach to hunt down sometimes. Agreed!
I do appreciate your time in replying to my issue. It's appreciated! Thanks!

I'll respond back when I get it fixed, hopefully the things you mentioned will solve the problem.
 
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2012 | 10:39 PM
  #4  
fordpride's Avatar
fordpride
Post Fiend
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 15,505
Likes: 18
From: Livoina,La
Make a jumper wire and jump the plug to the neutral safety switch. I think you have a bad switch

CAUTION make sure you have the clutch pushed in and truck in N
 
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2012 | 11:21 PM
  #5  
contramundum's Avatar
contramundum
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by fordpride
Make a jumper wire and jump the plug to the neutral safety switch. I think you have a bad switch

CAUTION make sure you have the clutch pushed in and truck in N
I don't know exactly what this means as I am ignorant of most of the terminology and not sure exactly where the neutral safety switch is on my truck. Any pictures or youtube videos? :-)
 
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2012 | 01:23 AM
  #6  
madpogue's Avatar
madpogue
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Liked
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 8,476
Likes: 37
From: Madison, WI
What's being described is actually not the neutral safety switch; your truck doesn't have one. That's only on automatic-equipped trucks. You have a clutch start switch. It's what keeps you from starting the truck without pushing the clutch pedal.

But that's actually a "secondary" problem. If you're also having trouble with getting into gear at times, it's because the clutch isn't fully disengaging. The disengagement issue and the starting issue are both outcomes of the worn bushing you've read about. That bushing connects the clutch pedal arm to the pushrod on the master cylinder. When it wears and gets sloppy, the pedal arm doesn't push the pushrod all the way. This does two things - it keeps the switch from working properly, and it doesn't open the clutch all the way, making it difficult to put the tranny into gear.

This is all up under the dash, near the firewall, to the right of the brake pedal. (Yeah, even though the clutch pedal is left of the brake pedal, the mechanism is _right_ of the brake pedal; kludgy design on Ford's part...) If you slither down under the dash and work the pedal with your hand, you'll quickly see what the moving parts are, and will probably see the worn bushing and the sloppy action.

Here's what I did for a fix on both our trucks:

I trimmed off the "clips" of the bushing, put the lever arm and bushing in place, and put a drill stop collar, 7/16" size, on the end of the part of the arm that engages the pushrod. (Well, actually, I replaced the bushing with a short piece of brass tubing, but trimming the bushing works too.) Sorry, no pic of the original setup, but as said, if you just get up under there and look, you'll find the parts and will get a good look at the original bushing.
 
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2012 | 07:58 AM
  #7  
contramundum's Avatar
contramundum
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by madpogue
What's being described is actually not the neutral safety switch; your truck doesn't have one. That's only on automatic-equipped trucks. You have a clutch start switch. Thanks for the clarification. It's what keeps you from starting the truck without pushing the clutch pedal.

But that's actually a "secondary" problem. If you're also having trouble with getting into gear at times, it's because the clutch isn't fully disengaging. The disengagement issue and the starting issue are both outcomes of the worn bushing you've read about. That bushing connects the clutch pedal arm to the pushrod on the master cylinder. When it wears and gets sloppy, the pedal arm doesn't push the pushrod all the way. This does two things - it keeps the switch from working properly, and it doesn't open the clutch all the way, making it difficult to put the tranny into gear.

This is all up under the dash, near the firewall, to the right of the brake pedal. (Yeah, even though the clutch pedal is left of the brake pedal, the mechanism is _right_ of the brake pedal; kludgy design on Ford's part...) Thanks for this clarification. If you slither down under the dash and work the pedal with your hand, you'll quickly see what the moving parts are, and will probably see the worn bushing and the sloppy action.

Here's what I did for a fix on both our trucks:

I trimmed off the "clips" of the bushing, put the lever arm and bushing in place, and put a drill stop collar, 7/16" size, on the end of the part of the arm that engages the pushrod. (Well, actually, I replaced the bushing with a short piece of brass tubing, I'm assuming you placed brass tubing in there for it to last longer? Is this correct? but trimming the bushing works too.) Sorry, no pic of the original setup, but as said, if you just get up under there and look, you'll find the parts and will get a good look at the original bushing.
Great picture! and thanks for the more particular clarifications. This helps a lot! My hats off to the help on this thread!
 
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2012 | 09:49 AM
  #8  
helifixer's Avatar
helifixer
Hotshot
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 10,253
Likes: 7,684
From: Chino Valley, Arizona
don't forget the relay (solenoid) on the passenger side fender. I have had 3 of these go intermittent in the last 2 months. acted lust like a bad neutral safety switch. the last one was on my '99 service truck last week while I was in [phoenix so i just swung by a ford dealer and changed it in their parking lot.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-3

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
Old Sep 7, 2012 | 01:06 PM
  #9  
thebig350's Avatar
thebig350
Tuned
15 Year Member
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
From: Texas
Man, do I feel like a douche for starting a new thread on this very same thing. Perhaps I should keep more up to date on the board. Anyhow, not to hijack this thread, but I did a write up on this fix (madpogue's idea) in mine if anybody wants to take a look.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-fix-pics.html
 
Reply
Old Sep 8, 2012 | 10:43 AM
  #10  
contramundum's Avatar
contramundum
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by thebig350
Man, do I feel like a douche for starting a new thread on this very same thing. Perhaps I should keep more up to date on the board. Anyhow, not to hijack this thread, but I did a write up on this fix (madpogue's idea) in mine if anybody wants to take a look.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-fix-pics.html
Thanks for posting, the link to your thread has helped a lot and even gave me a youtube link on how to fix this problem with a custom made joint for this problem. Yes it cost $40, but it looks like it's well worth every penny.

Here is the installation youtube link: CLUTCH PEDAL FIX FOR FORD TRUCKS - YouTube
 
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2012 | 07:51 PM
  #11  
DanielT28's Avatar
DanielT28
Laughing Gas
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,239
Likes: 104
From: idaho
Can I buy this stuff at ace hardware or napa ?
 
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2012 | 09:35 PM
  #12  
contramundum's Avatar
contramundum
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by DanielT28
Can I buy this stuff at ace hardware or napa ?
I bought a permanent repair joint from ebay...
FORD Clutch Rod End PERMANENT Repair powerstroke too. | eBay

I have not installed it yet, it's got good reviews.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
patrickg450
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
17
Jan 24, 2019 02:36 PM
Cody Chapman
1961 - 1966 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
8
Jul 3, 2012 08:08 AM
Blackwaterforge
1961 - 1966 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
4
May 12, 2009 12:28 PM
CrystalChuck
1997 - 2003 F150
2
Nov 4, 2008 09:31 AM
pucko94.5
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
7
Aug 26, 2007 01:44 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:08 AM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE