That is the problem. It is so hard to control a protest. Of course I do not endorse taking a dump in a police cruiser or even doing anything that threatens the safety of law enforcement. The event you address is not representative of the 99%ers. It was an anomaly, which in my opinion, is what folks do whenever they criticise something they do not go along with. They look for an anomally and suggest it is representative of the majority. They ignore several thousand folks who did not take a dump in a police cruiser and focus on the single knot head who did.

So, let's all sit on our butts and do nothing, which is what most of us are doing. We have dozens of folks on Wall Street who defrauded us and not a single one has spent a night in jail. So I applaud folks who tried to make a statement. No apologies here.

The first time I protested anything I was still in high school and a teacher talked in a negative fashion about a student I could not stand, but was not there to defend himself and I confronted the teacher. I got kicked out of class and lost my spot competing in a trouble shooting contest sponsored by GM. Would I do it again? Absolutely and my hat is off to folks who confront inequity. I just don't see a whole lot of energy being devoted by anyone else to confront Wall Street. Is no one beside me pissed that Wall Street hedge fund managers are still doing what they said they would never go again?

So forget about the 99%ers. Did you write your congressmen? Did you send an email to the president? Did you do anything at all to try to make things better?

Steve

 

Great points, Steve. Pretty much how I look at it.

Hard to discuss OWS without getting political.....Let's just say I agreed with some of their MAIN issues.....Scratched my head at others.....and yes.......Some members did act in a way I wouldn't condone.

I'll just add that there's a lOT to be PO'd at.....A lot.

 

At this point they are called rabbits, ground hogs and deer. Lack of water doesn't help either. Don't want to waste ammo! Saving it for the two legged types.....



Ain't that the truth?

There will be. They are called survivors! Natural selection...... the smartest and strongest. Being prepared helps, too!

I sense a lot of frustration from both Steves and I hope that you sense it from me. Would it make any difference if we wrote our politicians? It may make us feel better and get a form letter in return. I don't think they have our interests in mind, maybe only theirs.

When there is a protest, you will get a few rowdies that can't be controlled. OWS should have had their own police force to take care of the problems. I remember when their stuff was getting stolen and they wanted help from LEOs. They took statements, which was about all they could do. You would've thought that they would have watched out for each other. But with it so big who knew who was there to protest and who to steal.

 

Yeah, me, too. And I have no clue where to begin to help getting it resolved, IF it can be! Like someone said, we have already passed the point of no return and we don't know it yet!

 

Here's my thoughts about the inevitability of the current situation. Given my participation in a couple of these discussions about the current state of affairs, I started actually reading what I was saying and I started thinking I, along with a load of other folks have given up. I am not saying I am off the idea of preparedness, I still have my firearms and am going to do a pantry, etc.

The thing is, the other half of that equation for me at least, has to be trying to do "something" to make this country a better place to live. Maybe I have been getting what I deserve. Maybe we all are.

I used to be involved. I donated time, I donated a little money, I did things to try to make the country a better place. Yeah, I even sent emails to cheesy politicians and am still on one's Christmas card list. Now I know you can say none of that did squat and you may well be right. On the other hand, who knows for sure? I wonder what would happen if more people voted. I wonder what would happen if just for today we all emailed just one senator or congressman.

So thanks to some of these exchanges and reading my own input I have started to become reinvolved. I took the time to listen to a third party presidential candidate. Last night I listened to an economist discuss his finding on the correlation between economic inequality and instability in countries around the world. I don't know what I will do today, but I am "off the bench" and back on the field for better or worse. And no, you will not find me taking a dump in a police car!

Steve

 

I've seen the word 'thugs' thrown around a couple of times here...and in many cases you'll be correct. Just keep in mind that if things get THAT bad, a lot of the 'thugs' will really be folks who are otherwise decent, but whom the times turned into really, really desperate people maybe just trying to keep themselves and their families from starving.....

THAT'S what would make such a situation so bad........Having to decide on pulling the trigger on some machinist or carpenter or retail worker (or group of such) who are just really, really REALLY hungry......

Mindless zombies and/or packs of killer mutants would be easier........Rack up the body count......

 

Those folk will likely have been killed off or in hiding from the street thugs from urban areas who are spreading out and ransacking the more fertile suburbs and outlying rural areas.
Packs who invade your property should learn what it's like to be under sustained, high volumes of fire.

 

I've done the letter writing & emails to congress. They really don't care is what I learned from up my trouble. They will not be there to help if things get bad. Get plenty of ammo & guns. You will have to be your protection. I have reloading supplies & lots of ammo.

 

Don't know if you have seen this, it may be the beginning of the end.....
America Heading Towards a Collapse Worse Than 2008 AND Europe! Says Peter Schiff | Breakout - Yahoo! Finance

 

This thread has gotten me thinking since posting (one thing I really like about my job is that while welding along cranking out parts, I can think on various subjects).
It won't be stone age after a complete crash, but things won't be anything like what they are. There will still be roads, like there are still Roman roads in Europe. You will still have cars, trucks, motorcycles, tractors, and all the modern toys you have now, but no fuel or electricity. Paper money will be worthless. Coins will be worthless. Gold will have some value for a while, but not where it's at now, and if things don't start coming back together in a couple years it'll be close to worthless. The reality is it's just a decorative metal. Stainless will be worth more if you know how to work it into a blade.
Wood and coal (where locally available) will be the primary fuel options. Various crops will be able to be converted into fuel compatible with diesel and gas engines, but the engines will need modifications and there will be a fair bit of labor involved. In the end, hoarding a couple solar panels and good deep cycle batteries would be best for small amounts of power. Read up on the "helping poor Africans" articles to get ideas on power-free washing machines, water purification options, and other non-grid things. Plan on dehydrating just about everything you grow, or preserving in brine. Forget about all the little nice to have things, and focus on essentials. Get ready to sit around the living room after you're done working all day in the garden or field, playing with your kids or maybe putting the last few finishing touches on some thing to make life a little easier, like a hand carved replacement for a broken bowl.
For a total reset, you're probably looking at a 15-20% survival rate. Some won't know how to survive, some will die from accidents or infections and lack of medical care.

 

When the welfare check's late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...-vfl3J-I2Q.swf

 

Scary. But probably true. Hopefully the reset isn't 'total'.......

 

I would like to see this video, but it's been removed. Does any one have a copy to share?

I imagine it would be difficult to survive if the welfare check is late and even more-so if there is no small business' there to convert it to food, beer, chips or smokes. It seems that according to a certain pol small business' does not deserve to exist as it was not built by the business owner, they only exist by the grace of the goverment in washington, so they will be the first to go.

 

Drudge Report still carrying the story:

Saturday night flash mob takes over Jacksonville Walmart | jacksonville.com

 

I feel the point was reached several years ago in this country and for the rest of the world it was reached decades ago.

As to the urban living discussion, I believe the big advantage is, IF the infrastructure collapses the bigger cities will become war zones and that is where I feel 80% of the causalities will come from.

Several years ago right after an election that many in the big cities didn't like the outcome I heard a New Yorker make the statement that was approx "why are those people in the midwest even allowed to have a say, how would they survive without us" meaning New York. I think that mentality will come to a screeching end real soon when they realize that the midwest or rural areas would survive just fine, but New York wouldn't survive 48hrs without the rest of the country.