Probably true, but this time around I am not sure David can defeat Goliath! Anyone have a fighter jet or a couple of extra drones in their garage. The playing field just isn't looking very level to my eyes.

Steve

 

Once the government fails they will lose the military. Remember our troops would be firing on friends & family.

 

Push comes to shove, with a unstable gov't in charge, US Military is unlikely to fire on American civilians other than to defend itself..........More likely to refuse orders and stand down.
Serious threats are the different paramilitary arms of Federal "depts" and "bureaus" that have come to flourish.

 

'voluntary delete' or something

Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

 

Headed for the club in ...3....2....1

 

I think this is the wild card. In a situation where the government destabilizes quickly, I agree. But - what if the melt down is slow and those in power make lots of noise about homegrown terrorist - us? That is when I think things could get scary!

Steve

 

Dear Moto Mel.....

Please delete everything other than the part I just quoted and maybe replace it with 'voluntary delete' or something before a moderator shows up, gets annoyed, and drop-kicks this thread into 'the club'.....which is what the OP is trying to avoid.

Thank You

 

I don't think we're going to go straight from being a functional society to one of 'hunker-down'.......We'll likely have several crises........warning shots if you will.......before that happens.

I'm thinking a good example of a warning shot will be hyper-inflation...followed by a run on the stores and fuel points as folks panic..........and hopefully y'all have your pantries full......

This might happen several times before there's a complete breakdown in trust, and people either 'hunker down' into individual family groups, or better yet......voluntary associations made up of a number of family groups and individuals acting in mutual support.....

When? Who knows.

 

You know this whole thing is so bizarre. I never felt it necessary to own firearms and now I do. I just had breakfast with my wife and we discussed adding more firepower and stocking a pantry. We have pretty well resigned ourselves to believing the system has to crash. We are not survivalists. We both are well educated and have advanced degrees and have always played by the rules. Now the rules are about to go out the window.

I think most folks still believe things are going to go back to the way they were, but I don't see how it can happen. So are we going to end up with roving militias? Darn, there goes my retirement!

Steve

 

If this thread gets moved I will have Moto Mel to blame. Some people can't read! Stay on the subject! This isn't about qualifications of a President. Rant over! Now.......back to our regularly scheduled thread.......
Remember the afternoon of 9/11? Gas lines, run on the banks and services at churches to pray. There was a lot of uncertainty at that time. No one knew exactly what the next day would bring. 9/12 it was business much as usual except that we were cautious and wondering what was coming down the pike. No martial law, we still had our freedom.
I am seeing a LOT of frustration with daily life with the unemployed and underemployed, even some of the employed. What they used to make $$ with bennies and it isn't there any more. Unless you are a CEO. Companies that used to at least give out a ham or turkey at Christmas no longer do that. Forget even thinking about a bonus.
What I am seeing is a break down of society based on frustration due to loss of income as the rich get richer and the middle class become slowly nonexistent. It seems that higher taxes are hurting those that can not afford it.
I think Steve has some good ideas in post #23. Find out who your best friends/family are and come up with a gathering plan in case something does happen. It should be done in case of earthquake, hurricane or tornado. I know some who are seeing what is coming and do have a plan. Years ago, I thought they were nuts because they buried food and water decontamination supplies. They might get to use them.
RV Tech.....how did you come about thinking this way? Something you watched on TV, through friends or family? Kinda strange how epiphanies sneak up behind us and smack us on the head!
Roving militias? Maybe, but there will be roving gangs. There was a show on TV that was called "Colony". Great show to help deal with an apocalyptic society. Didn't get to see all of the series, wish I could have. A good movie to watch is "Defiance". It was a group of Jews and how they survived in WW2.

 

It wasn't so much the idea in total came all at once and it isn't that the economy so far has even changed our lifestyle. We have never been big livers and never bought the big house. We have saved and invested and never expected to do anything big.

But, as I said, we are well educated and simple logic tells me things can not go on like this. Our political candidates not only war among themselves, but do nothing to bring us back together so now all I see is my way or the highway and tell me how the heck that is going to work?

So I look off to the future and the picture is not so rosy. After the politicos drill all the poor and middle class, they start going after the next strata and the next strata until they end up feeding one another.

And 170,000 drones patrolling the skies, who are they going to watching. It sure isn't going to be folks from the Middle East.

I hate the way things are going and have really devoted a great deal of thought trying to come up with small ways to make things better, but I'll tell you, I am pretty well out of ideas!

Steve

 

Indeed, the law is very clear on this matter. Obama is not a "natural born citizen", and all these rumors about Obama being born in Kenya are just a red herring to distract us from the fact he is not constitutionally eligible to serve as President.

Aside from his father's nationality, Obama's mother is an interesting story in itself. After attending a communist high school, she became a Marxist political agitator, completed a liberal arts degree in "anthropology", became the second wife of an African bigamist, and devoted her career to liberal international development projects that transfer money from American taxpayers to dysfunctional third world countries. Is anyone surprised that her son looks down on blue collar workers who own guns and don't trust big government? He spent his whole life around people who know better.




I don't believe LEO or career army would hesitate to shoot their fellow Americans in the back. Just look how officer Steve shows up to snitch on a fellow user, just as we're getting to the nuts and bolts of Obama's eligibility to serve as President.

Officer Steve tells us to hunker down in small groups with family and friends. That's exactly what they were doing at Waco. And got them burned to death.

 

Why don't you let your brain cells catch up with your typing fingers before you post nonsense like this again....OK?

If I wanted to 'snitch' on Moto Mel, I would have just reported his post to the moderation team........or contacted a moderator through private message....and they would have acted accordingly. OR if his post had remained visible, a moderator would have seen it all on their own with no help whatsoever, and would have moved this thread to Club FTE where this stuff is allowed to be discussed.

The OP specifically put this thread in 'general' so that you non-supporters could join in....AND he specifically called for it to remain non-political so you non-supporters could enjoy the topic. I'm trying to respect the OP's wishes. YOU'RE going against the OP's wishes by continuing to post on the subject matter that Moto Mel brought up (and he deleted his post voluntarily with no complaint)......And YOU'RE going to get this thread moved to Club FTE. Congratulations.

Again......'brain cells' and 'typing fingers' and 'catch up' and 'nonsense'..........

***Now. Why don't YOU erase everything you typed on that 'forbidden' topic so that you don't get Dan's thread moved to the Club?

 

Mike (19fifty4) is correct. We're already in the fallout stage. And I believe the strategy of retreating to the land to be a faulty one. In war, you don't string your men out to be picked off one by one. You concentrate your forces at your enemies weakest point.


You're being disrespectful. By insulting my intelligence, addressing me in capital letters, and bullying Moto Mel into removing his post. If this thread is moved to Club FTE it will be because you wanted it that way.


Then that's what you should have done, and let the moderation team handle it. Instead you publicly scolded a fellow user and called on him to retract his statements.

 

The problem with urban living is the infrastructure to support it. You need power, water, and food supplied to the living areas, and waste taken away. This means additional areas to produce the power, food and water supply plus roads to get it to the living areas. It would be best to go with a commune sort of system, several families living on a large farm with the ability to be self sufficient. There is an enormous amount of labor involved in living without a supporting infrastructure, but by that point there will be no real distractions like TV and internet.
As for me, I have a very good large garden tractor, and have been collecting implements for it. I am putting in a garden 100' square for next year, just above a seasonal stream that will supply the irrigation water for it. I am going to put in a 1000gallon+ tank uphill from the garden to hold the water, and pump it up there when available from the stream. I have the space to store the food that this garden produces, and most importantly the willpower to do this. It'll take a lot of time and hard work, but will be worth it in the end.
As an observation, voluntary thread modification is preferred over forced or moderator modification, but the best way is to just not post political stuff here. Pony up the $20 for a year in the club, and as a bonus the ads go away. Then, you can post all the political stuff you want there. I think this thread has plenty of potential without political stuff.