HP Guestimate ??
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Cargo Master
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From: Washington
HP Guestimate ??
Hey guys,
So I plan on getting some AC 160cc single shots here pretty soon (and getting a reburn for them). Also, I have a RR HPX to install and will order a RR FRX to install at the same time. I am curious as to what kind of HP I am making currently, and what I will be making with new set ups.
Current Set up.)
E99 Turbo
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AB code - 130cc Split shot injectors
Set up 1.)
E99 Turbo (current turbo)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
Set up 2.)
Same as set up 1 + Termi T500 HPOP
Set up 3.)
Convert to 99.5+ turbo set up
Turbonetics Turbo (pushing close to 30 psi)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
Set up 4.)
Same as set up 3 + Termi T500 HPOP
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
So I plan on getting some AC 160cc single shots here pretty soon (and getting a reburn for them). Also, I have a RR HPX to install and will order a RR FRX to install at the same time. I am curious as to what kind of HP I am making currently, and what I will be making with new set ups.
Current Set up.)
E99 Turbo
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AB code - 130cc Split shot injectors
Set up 1.)
E99 Turbo (current turbo)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
Set up 2.)
Same as set up 1 + Termi T500 HPOP
Set up 3.)
Convert to 99.5+ turbo set up
Turbonetics Turbo (pushing close to 30 psi)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
Set up 4.)
Same as set up 3 + Termi T500 HPOP
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
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From: Gary,Indiana
Bryce sounds like like a good plan and I too wonder what your hp#'s will be. I have a E99 too and I am thinking about something like your set up #1.
I hope as long as you are replacing the injectors you are going to replace the injector cups due to the problems others have had with early 99 injector cup sealant.
Well let's see what the experts think.
I hope as long as you are replacing the injectors you are going to replace the injector cups due to the problems others have had with early 99 injector cup sealant.
Well let's see what the experts think.
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Cargo Master
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From: Washington
Thanks Ed.
Hmmmm.. Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing something about that. Good point! Cheers
Another one for the list. Preventative measures are always good.
Holy Cow! The cup removal tool requires a $200.00 deposit!?
And the cup retaining compound is $40.00!?
http://www.riffraffdiesel.com/mm5/me...de=F731-FS-CUP
Anyone have a removal tool I could use and send back when the time comes for the install?
Hmmmm.. Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing something about that. Good point! Cheers
Another one for the list. Preventative measures are always good.
Holy Cow! The cup removal tool requires a $200.00 deposit!?
And the cup retaining compound is $40.00!?
http://www.riffraffdiesel.com/mm5/me...de=F731-FS-CUP
Anyone have a removal tool I could use and send back when the time comes for the install?
Butt-Head
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From: Reed Point, MT
Hey guys,
So I plan on getting some AC 160cc single shots here pretty soon (and getting a reburn for them). Also, I have a RR HPX to install and will order a RR FRX to install at the same time. I am curious as to what kind of HP I am making currently, and what I will be making with new set ups.
Current Set up.)
E99 Turbo
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AB code - 130cc Split shot injectors
300
Set up 1.)
E99 Turbo (current turbo)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
370
Set up 2.)
Same as set up 1 + Termi T500 HPOP
Set up 3.)
Convert to 99.5+ turbo set up
Turbonetics Turbo (pushing close to 30 psi)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
370
Set up 4.)
Same as set up 3 + Termi T500 HPOP
370
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
So I plan on getting some AC 160cc single shots here pretty soon (and getting a reburn for them). Also, I have a RR HPX to install and will order a RR FRX to install at the same time. I am curious as to what kind of HP I am making currently, and what I will be making with new set ups.
Current Set up.)
E99 Turbo
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AB code - 130cc Split shot injectors
300
Set up 1.)
E99 Turbo (current turbo)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
370
Set up 2.)
Same as set up 1 + Termi T500 HPOP
Set up 3.)
Convert to 99.5+ turbo set up
Turbonetics Turbo (pushing close to 30 psi)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
370
Set up 4.)
Same as set up 3 + Termi T500 HPOP
370
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
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From: Dalton,Ga
Hey guys,
So I plan on getting some AC 160cc single shots here pretty soon (and getting a reburn for them). Also, I have a RR HPX to install and will order a RR FRX to install at the same time. I am curious as to what kind of HP I am making currently, and what I will be making with new set ups.
Current Set up.)
E99 Turbo
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AB code - 130cc Split shot injectors
Not sure about e99 turbo
Set up 1.)
E99 Turbo (current turbo)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
e99 turbo??
Set up 2.)
Same as set up 1 + Termi T500 HPOP
Set up 3.)
Convert to 99.5+ turbo set up
Turbonetics Turbo (pushing close to 30 psi)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
350-400....
Set up 4.)
Same as set up 3 + Termi T500 HPOP
350-400......a bunch if people were putting this on dyno at RRE this year..a lot depends on the condition of the 7.3.....
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
So I plan on getting some AC 160cc single shots here pretty soon (and getting a reburn for them). Also, I have a RR HPX to install and will order a RR FRX to install at the same time. I am curious as to what kind of HP I am making currently, and what I will be making with new set ups.
Current Set up.)
E99 Turbo
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AB code - 130cc Split shot injectors
Not sure about e99 turbo
Set up 1.)
E99 Turbo (current turbo)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
e99 turbo??
Set up 2.)
Same as set up 1 + Termi T500 HPOP
Set up 3.)
Convert to 99.5+ turbo set up
Turbonetics Turbo (pushing close to 30 psi)
6637 Air Intake System (w/enclosure & zoodad)
4" Turbo Back Exhaust
DP Tuner (F5 - See tunes in sig)
AC Injectors (160cc)
FRx
HPx
350-400....
Set up 4.)
Same as set up 3 + Termi T500 HPOP
350-400......a bunch if people were putting this on dyno at RRE this year..a lot depends on the condition of the 7.3.....
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
Just my .02
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From: Gary,Indiana
Thanks Cody but I see you would say set up #1 and #3 as same hp rating what would think the torque would be on stock e99, #1 & #3 ?
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Cargo Master
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Thanks for the pennies Joey. So stage 1's and a turbo pushing around 30 psi put them anywhere from 350-400 huh? good to know.
I would like to dyno my truck somewhere after I install the AC's. Even on the E99 turbo. Anybody know of one near Ellensburg, WA?
I would like to dyno my truck somewhere after I install the AC's. Even on the E99 turbo. Anybody know of one near Ellensburg, WA?
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Butt-Head
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From: Reed Point, MT
Originally Posted by Spool&Go
Thanks for the input Cody. But you dont think that a turbo pushing 30 psi as opposed to 20 will make any hp gain?
Butt-Head
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From: Reed Point, MT
It depends on how much the injectors are hurting for high pressure oil.
The torque rise on low injection pressure (high pulse width) is incredible and will usually be higher than a similar run that is able to maintain pressure.
Really, the power difference between an E99 and 99.5-01 truck is so minimal that if you drove one blindfolded, you'd never know the difference. People make it out to be such a big deal and in reality, the biggest problem with the early build trucks is buying brake and suspension parts.
The torque rise on low injection pressure (high pulse width) is incredible and will usually be higher than a similar run that is able to maintain pressure.
Really, the power difference between an E99 and 99.5-01 truck is so minimal that if you drove one blindfolded, you'd never know the difference. People make it out to be such a big deal and in reality, the biggest problem with the early build trucks is buying brake and suspension parts.
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Cargo Master
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From: Washington
You'll see that setups 1, 2, and 3 are all the same. It's a function of maximum fuel rate, nothing more. Regardless of how much unnecessary expense is put into the build ("crossovers", etc.), the ultimate power output of the engine is based almost exclusively on the amount of fuel that you can get into the cylinder per combustion event.
No. Boost is over-rated as it is nothing more than a measurement of restriction unless you can get the exhaust out of the engine. The more force (backpressure) that is required of the turbine side to make the compressor side do it's thing, the less and less of a return on your "boost investment" that you will be making. Boost means very little when you're talking about stock or stock-ish parts as all you're doing at that point is adding more heat to the intake air. Guess what...all of you people who bash Gale Banks for his beliefs need to take a lesson from what he preaches.
No. Boost is over-rated as it is nothing more than a measurement of restriction unless you can get the exhaust out of the engine. The more force (backpressure) that is required of the turbine side to make the compressor side do it's thing, the less and less of a return on your "boost investment" that you will be making. Boost means very little when you're talking about stock or stock-ish parts as all you're doing at that point is adding more heat to the intake air. Guess what...all of you people who bash Gale Banks for his beliefs need to take a lesson from what he preaches.
And I understand that the boost pressure doesn't mean that much but volume of air does. A bigger turbo housing and higher boost pressures means that you are pushing more volume, and that means more power.
I am by no means a turbo guru, but that is my understanding.
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From: Gary,Indiana
It depends on how much the injectors are hurting for high pressure oil.
The torque rise on low injection pressure (high pulse width) is incredible and will usually be higher than a similar run that is able to maintain pressure.
Really, the power difference between an E99 and 99.5-01 truck is so minimal that if you drove one blindfolded, you'd never know the difference. People make it out to be such a big deal and in reality, the biggest problem with the early build trucks is buying brake and suspension parts.
The torque rise on low injection pressure (high pulse width) is incredible and will usually be higher than a similar run that is able to maintain pressure.
Really, the power difference between an E99 and 99.5-01 truck is so minimal that if you drove one blindfolded, you'd never know the difference. People make it out to be such a big deal and in reality, the biggest problem with the early build trucks is buying brake and suspension parts.
Butt-Head
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From: Reed Point, MT
However, your maximum boost pressure will likely DECREASE.
More boost does not equal more power in this case...it just makes the gauge more fun to watch and makes for bragging rights.
Case in point:
Stock '01 with mild tuning: 26 PSI. 285 RWHP.
Change to Turbonetics Journal Bearing and larger A/R turbine housing; all else the same (same dyno, two hours later): 21 PSI. 298 RWHP
Now, the results were nearly the same for maximum power tuning at 308/310 (no recollection of boost pressures)....but the engine pulled A LOT harder in the 2500 + RPM range with the less restrictive turbine housing. Boost was down with the aftermarket turbo and the drive pressure was down by a little over 1/3.