Who makes a good e4od
Cargo Master
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From: NY
X2 on find another shop.
im no trans expert myself (trackspeeder is though snapon.fyi)
and your shops info is just all wrong.
for some reason he's confusing high stall TC's or something.
don't put any faith in that tranny shop.
i don't see how he thinks the TC is going to lock up sooner.that is electronically controlled,and like trackspeeder says,the shift kit/valve body alternation is not.
he's all mixed up man lol.
he's probably got something to sell ya.thats why he's selling you poor info.id bet $ he's got an old used stock E40D convertor he's trying to sell ya based on the smack this guy is talking.
im no trans expert myself (trackspeeder is though snapon.fyi)
and your shops info is just all wrong.
for some reason he's confusing high stall TC's or something.
don't put any faith in that tranny shop.
i don't see how he thinks the TC is going to lock up sooner.that is electronically controlled,and like trackspeeder says,the shift kit/valve body alternation is not.
he's all mixed up man lol.
he's probably got something to sell ya.thats why he's selling you poor info.id bet $ he's got an old used stock E40D convertor he's trying to sell ya based on the smack this guy is talking.
Converter lock up is controlled by the TCM. Not the converter. A single disk will lock up at the same time as a multi disk converter. The only difference is the holding power of the clutch. A multi disk has more clutch surface than a single disk. More clutch surface will take more abuse. That's why multi disk converters are recommended for extreme work. Towing racing ect.
Am I correct in thinking the truck will respond better and have more power after it has a triple disc converter??
More Turbo
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From: North Branford
He said he would take my money but I would just be wasting it. He also said the converter would stall out towing up hill. When I asked him about triple disc converters he was like, 'why would you want to do that?, it just gonna bog it down, make it slower, etc'.
Makes sense to me, I dunno why he thought is was a bad Idea.
Am I correct in thinking the truck will respond better and have more power after it has a triple disc converter??
Makes sense to me, I dunno why he thought is was a bad Idea.
Am I correct in thinking the truck will respond better and have more power after it has a triple disc converter??
I would look into another shop. The E4OD can get very expensive if it is not rebuilt properly.
Cargo Master
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From: NY
I know the engine power stays constant, I was saying would the rwhp be higher?
I have a feeling he thought I was talking about a triple clutch converter even though I said triple disc. I guess I'll call him up....
I have a feeling he thought I was talking about a triple clutch converter even though I said triple disc. I guess I'll call him up....
Lead Driver
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
If anything its possible you might actually loose a fraction of a Hp due to the extra rotating mass and parastatic losses of having heavier geartrain and more clutch material in there. I highly doubt you will be able to actually measure the difference (if it even exists) one way or another. And even if you do hypothetically loose some power (Which again would likely not be measurable even if you did) Its well worth the price for having something that can reliably transmit that power over the long haul.
More Turbo
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My trans went the other day unfortinatly. Not exactly sure why or what the issue is but i got a thread in the forum (https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ent-today.html) basicly decribes my problem. Im a college guy so as much as I want one of those fancy BTS trans its not in my price range at all 
Im lookin at a rebuilt from jasper but i read earlier about guys havin bad luck with them. Im lookin at spendin about $2000 MAX on this fix. Iv got stock tires and stock engine. What direction should i go?? Rebuild it or get a new one? sorry for the thread jack.
Im lookin at a rebuilt from jasper but i read earlier about guys havin bad luck with them. Im lookin at spendin about $2000 MAX on this fix. Iv got stock tires and stock engine. What direction should i go?? Rebuild it or get a new one? sorry for the thread jack.
Fleet Mechanic
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Stay away from Jasper! I had one that died just in the warranty period, and was replaced. The second one died just outside the warranty period, and I had to replace it again. I put a Ford rebuilt one in, and it's good...
More Turbo
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From: North Branford
Triple disk and triple clutch converter are the same. Multi disk is anything from two to five.
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Cargo Master
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From: NY
There will be no gain in horse power. A multi disk (triple disk) will have less slippage than a single disk. You will get more power to the wheels. Because there is more clutch surface to clamp.
Triple disk and triple clutch converter are the same. Multi disk is anything from two to five.
Triple disk and triple clutch converter are the same. Multi disk is anything from two to five.
Correct me if I'm wrong but when towing, I don't want my TC to lock up at all right??
More Turbo
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Id love the ZF swap, had one in my last truck before i wrecked it. My dad is against me doing it. He says theres to much involved. Plus i just sold the DMF and almost brand new clutch and related parts. How much does a new Ford trans sell for?
Fleet Owner
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From: Mi'kma'ki
some have claimed when they come apart (sometimes) they will send metal filings throughout the trans,which kills the rest of it.
i have a B&M trans filter in my cooler line.
you wont have any control over that unless you toss a lock/unlock switch in.
you want the TC to lock,because this eliminates the slippage,and the heat drops WAY off once she's hooked up.
(don't you have a gauge to watch this yet? its very cool! )
plus of course,your fuel economy goes up once locked,because at this point,your directly mechanically locked,as if you were driving a hand shaker.
unlock TC = like a C6 trans.runs hot all the time,TC slips all the time.
locked up TC = like a Zf5 manual trans.mechanical direct.no slip.
lock up happens directly after 3rd,just before 4th(OD) that's the "semi shift" you feel.
then you'll feel the final OD shift,which is a higher gear than the zf5 manual,which means at this point in time,your fuel economy is higher than if you were driving with the zf5.
Cargo Master
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From: NY
For towing, I want the rpms as high as possible, when the tc locks up, they go down. So wouldnt I want it locking up later than sooner? Guy at the tranny shop told me when i take the o/d off using the little button, that keeps the tc unlocked. He said to take o/d off for towing to keep the rpms up. That sound right?
Lead Driver
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
Really??? the TC will not lock when overdrive is disabled?
Ideally it should still lock.....but here I'm out of my league since my E4OD was never run with a stock computer while I had it. Mine locks in whatever gear I allow in the programming but generally I limit that to 3rd and 4th.
I agree that eliminating slip is one of the best things an E4OD can do and it is best to used it.
Ideally it should still lock.....but here I'm out of my league since my E4OD was never run with a stock computer while I had it. Mine locks in whatever gear I allow in the programming but generally I limit that to 3rd and 4th.
I agree that eliminating slip is one of the best things an E4OD can do and it is best to used it.
Senior User
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From: Bear, DE
For towing, I want the rpms as high as possible, when the tc locks up, they go down. So wouldnt I want it locking up later than sooner? Guy at the tranny shop told me when i take the o/d off using the little button, that keeps the tc unlocked. He said to take o/d off for towing to keep the rpms up. That sound right?
It'll lock out going into overdrive (4th), but you'll still have TC lockup. I know I do.
Cargo Master
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I know when driving, if I press the button and take o/d off, the rmps jump up. If i press it again, the rpms go back down. I dont know if thats the tc locking up, but it made sense when he explained it.