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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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I would love to see more natural gas powered vehicles in the near future. The U.S. has an abundance of this and the conversion from what I've read isn't all that complicated and is about even with ethanol as far as what needs to be done to make a vehicle run on it.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:23 PM
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a revolution will fix this, gather up your arms.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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a revolution will fix this, gather up your arms.
In the likely future that is coming, food, water, arms and ammunition will be the most valuable commodities. Fuel will be a unheard of extravagance.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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Land is what you need to grow food, the city folk will be the hungry invaders, we country folk need to be ready.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:35 PM
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Natural gas FTW
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:39 PM
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natural gas is in short supply here in alaska. i got a list of people im taking out when things go bad.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by b-uno
natural gas is in short supply here in alaska. i got a list of people im taking out when things go bad.
That doesn't mean there is not any left. Just like any alternative fuel, there's an infrastructure problem to be taken care of.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 09:48 PM
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Best bet is to get lots of pipelines built from the Alberta Oilsands down to the refineries on the golf coast. If those refineries can rely on relatively stable supply from your friendly neighbor to the north, then they can provide a more stable supply of fuel to your vehicles.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 10:20 PM
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we all are gonna have to man up and do what needs to be done, or face the socialism
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 11:00 PM
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If the price of dino fuel gets that high, then it will fuel advances in alternative fuels that will help to meet demand. Natural gas is a great alternative, and bio-diesel production would become more lucrative. As it is, with the low price of dino fuels, there isn't much incentive for research and development. I have a friend that runs his 5.4 ford van on natural gas, and I run my excursion on 100% bio-diesel when I can. I would like to see these types of fuels become more prevalent, as they are cleaner burning and renewable (my mechanic loves how my X smells like french fries).
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 11:04 PM
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Look around........things ain't getting any better. This isn't like the 20th century when technology and cheap oil drove everything and the sky was the limit........We are at a contraction point, the future may look a lot more like "Mad Max" or "The Postman" than any shiny vision of a technologically advanced future.......No cheap oil or a alternative that does not use more energy to produce than it gives, and we are possibly looking at a new Dark Ages.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 11:07 PM
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If the price of dino fuel gets that high, then it will fuel advances in alternative fuels that will help to meet demand. Natural gas is a great alternative, and bio-diesel production would become more lucrative. As it is, with the low price of dino fuels, there isn't much incentive for research and development. I have a friend that runs his 5.4 ford van on natural gas, and I run my excursion on 100% bio-diesel when I can. I would like to see these types of fuels become more prevalent, as they are cleaner burning and renewable (my mechanic loves how my X smells like french fries).

your french frie fuel is all fine and dandy in california.
 
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Old Dec 29, 2010 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by offroad_x
If the price of dino fuel gets that high, then it will fuel advances in alternative fuels that will help to meet demand. Natural gas is a great alternative, and bio-diesel production would become more lucrative. As it is, with the low price of dino fuels, there isn't much incentive for research and development. I have a friend that runs his 5.4 ford van on natural gas, and I run my excursion on 100% bio-diesel when I can. I would like to see these types of fuels become more prevalent, as they are cleaner burning and renewable (my mechanic loves how my X smells like french fries).
That is very true. The same idea applies to the government push for fuel efficient vehicles. With cheap gas, there's not much incentive for consumers to shift to more efficient vehicles. Case in point: the Ford F-Series line is projected to be the best selling vehicle in the US for 2010 even with the gas prices at their current prices.

This is part of the reason why CAFE more than likely will never truly be completely effective. To paraphrase Bob Lutz, forcing automakers to produce vehicles that the market is not accepting is like trying to reduce obesity by only manufacturing smaller sizes of clothing.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 12:14 AM
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damn right its gonna hit 5$ a gallon now, all it takes is some idiot to say it will hit that on tv, and its like a frickin free pass for gas stations to start upping there prices because they say well u seen it was gonna go up on tv they said. i hope they all burn in he//
You mean oil companies.

Gas stations, independents and franchise stations, are held hostage to the oil companies when it comes to pricing.

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In the likely future that is coming, food, water, arms and ammunition will be the most valuable commodities. Fuel will be a unheard of extravagance.
Toilet paper.

Stock up on and hoard toilet paper.

It'll be gold in the future.



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Old Dec 30, 2010 | 12:29 AM
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if it happends i'll cut back in other places but it sure as hell wont keep any of my trucks off the road!
 
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