Died while driving, now no start...
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Because nobody suggested it, and I'm finding others who have had a similar issue as mine.... shouldn't it be posted into the "no start" tech notes??
As an example;
03 6.0 cranks no start - Page 2 - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
... I could post more "same" stories, but I think with it not being a "first check" on the list... is a problem. It's such a simple check to do... it should be a top 5, before diving in deeper and removing more of the outlying components to test things like the FICM. Don't ya agree?
As an example;
03 6.0 cranks no start - Page 2 - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
... I could post more "same" stories, but I think with it not being a "first check" on the list... is a problem. It's such a simple check to do... it should be a top 5, before diving in deeper and removing more of the outlying components to test things like the FICM. Don't ya agree?
bismic, the keeper of the "spreadsheets" and the diagnostics bible.. is the right one to ask.
I defer to him on this.
Fleet Owner
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Because nobody suggested it, and I'm finding others who have had a similar issue as mine.... shouldn't it be posted into the "no start" tech notes??
As an example;
03 6.0 cranks no start - Page 2 - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
... I could post more "same" stories, but I think with it not being a "first check" on the list... is a problem. It's such a simple check to do... it should be a top 5, before diving in deeper and removing more of the outlying components to test things like the FICM. Don't ya agree?
As an example;
03 6.0 cranks no start - Page 2 - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
... I could post more "same" stories, but I think with it not being a "first check" on the list... is a problem. It's such a simple check to do... it should be a top 5, before diving in deeper and removing more of the outlying components to test things like the FICM. Don't ya agree?
As far as the 6.0L emissions warranty goes, the correct information is 5 yrs / 100k miles.
More Turbo
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Feel free to add it to the Tech Folder "no-start" thread - it would be a great addition. As far as adding it at the top - I can't edit the early posts and besides, the thread was meant to be kept current. Hopefully people in need will be thorough and read the entire thing ........... Then they can decide for themselves what to do first. BTW (IMO anyway) - there are far more FICM issues than LPOP regulator issues. Besides, pulling the oil filter was before the FICM testing anyway.
Emission Warranty, 7/70K And the EGR is covered under that warranty. However, he did mention that often the EGR cooler leaking is often a derivative of the oil cooler being problematic, and therefore said an EGR Cooler repair if found to be defective via the oil cooler... would be a 5/100K warranty issue. But he did confirm, the warranty for emissions is 7/70K (Maybe a California thing??) It's not the first time I've heard this being discussed or debated.
Fleet Owner
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Per my local dealer (he even looked it up, as it was "to be repaired");
Emission Warranty, 7/70K And the EGR is covered under that warranty. However, he did mention that often the EGR cooler leaking is often a derivative of the oil cooler being problematic, and therefore said an EGR Cooler repair if found to be defective via the oil cooler... would be a 5/100K warranty issue. But he did confirm, the warranty for emissions is 7/70K (Maybe a California thing??) It's not the first time I've heard this being discussed or debated.
Emission Warranty, 7/70K And the EGR is covered under that warranty. However, he did mention that often the EGR cooler leaking is often a derivative of the oil cooler being problematic, and therefore said an EGR Cooler repair if found to be defective via the oil cooler... would be a 5/100K warranty issue. But he did confirm, the warranty for emissions is 7/70K (Maybe a California thing??) It's not the first time I've heard this being discussed or debated.
https://www.flmowner.com/servlet/Con...D5pjis2b6h38g3
After you enter your vehicle specifics, Then all the available reference material will show up. Click on "Warranty Manual" It is below all the choices for oowners manuals.
Go to page 11 and look at the chart.
Also - on Page 14:
List of Parts Covered for 5 Years or 100,000 Miles (whichever
occurs first) by Emissions Warranties for Diesel Engines
• Air Flow Sensor
• Air Fuel Feedback Control System and Sensors
• Cold Start Enrichment System
• Electronic Engine Control Sensors and Switches
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System
• Exhaust Manifold
• Fuel Injection System
• Intercooler Assembly - Engine Charger
• Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
• Turbocharger Assembly
More Turbo
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Do you want a copy of your warranty manual to end this debate?
https://www.flmowner.com/servlet/Con...D5pjis2b6h38g3
https://www.flmowner.com/servlet/Con...D5pjis2b6h38g3
I looked into "my ford" page (using my VIN) and this was my warranty PDF;
http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pub.../05frdwa7e.pdf
And as you staited, PDF page 11 clearly shows 5/100K...
BUT... look down on the graph... PDF page 20, under "EGR Cooler Assembly". What do YOU read that as?!
... I see 7/70K.
Fleet Owner
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debate? naaa... I was just informing you what this dealer has told me twice now. And what he confirmed, again (by looking it up)... as I was skeptical. Where's he getting this info I wonder?
I looked into "my ford" page (using my VIN) and this was my warranty PDF;
http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pub.../05frdwa7e.pdf
And as you staited, PDF page 11 clearly shows 5/100K...
BUT... look down on the graph... PDF page 20, under "EGR Cooler Assembly". What do YOU read that as?! ... I see 7/70K
.
I looked into "my ford" page (using my VIN) and this was my warranty PDF;
http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pub.../05frdwa7e.pdf
And as you staited, PDF page 11 clearly shows 5/100K...
BUT... look down on the graph... PDF page 20, under "EGR Cooler Assembly". What do YOU read that as?!
... I see 7/70K.
More Turbo
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Debates are good when two educated people are discussing. I'm NOT educated on diesels, warranties...or this topic, per-se... so, I was apprehensive to go further and ask or look it up. I simply thought I wasn't reading the fine print, and was wrong. Good to know, I wasn't in this case... and I was able to enlighten you as well! Good info and knowledge sharing.
More Turbo
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I'm back to update you all...
The removal, and cleaning of the low pressure regulator DID NOT fix my truck. Today, in the rain... with trailer in tow (getting ready for a desert trip), on the freeway at rush hour... my truck lost power, then died. No brakes, no steering... I limp over to the shoulder.
Saving you from all the gory details... the same Ford Tech (Rich) stopped to see me on his way home, on the side of the freeway. He again pulled the filter, and then the LPR... and examined for debris, or whatever he could see in the mud and rain (remember, we're on the side of the freeway... laying in muddy rain water... with traffic whizzing by). Oil pressure showed on the gauge... but he said the scanner only read 30psi on the HIGH side. Which should rush up towards 1500 and settle down to 500-600 (I think he said, hard to hear him with all the traffic noise). He think I might have a leak.... so he's going to leak test the high side next week.
... several hours later, I'm home. Ex out front, waiting to be "tested".
Here's a shot, trailer disconnected... Ex pulled forward with my Cousin's Dually via tow strap, tow truck shows up... (per picture) and loads my Ex (Wrecker's front tires lift 12" off the ground in the process). Hook the trailer to Cousin's Dually... and we're off;
The removal, and cleaning of the low pressure regulator DID NOT fix my truck. Today, in the rain... with trailer in tow (getting ready for a desert trip), on the freeway at rush hour... my truck lost power, then died. No brakes, no steering... I limp over to the shoulder.
Saving you from all the gory details... the same Ford Tech (Rich) stopped to see me on his way home, on the side of the freeway. He again pulled the filter, and then the LPR... and examined for debris, or whatever he could see in the mud and rain (remember, we're on the side of the freeway... laying in muddy rain water... with traffic whizzing by). Oil pressure showed on the gauge... but he said the scanner only read 30psi on the HIGH side. Which should rush up towards 1500 and settle down to 500-600 (I think he said, hard to hear him with all the traffic noise). He think I might have a leak.... so he's going to leak test the high side next week.
... several hours later, I'm home. Ex out front, waiting to be "tested".
Here's a shot, trailer disconnected... Ex pulled forward with my Cousin's Dually via tow strap, tow truck shows up... (per picture) and loads my Ex (Wrecker's front tires lift 12" off the ground in the process). Hook the trailer to Cousin's Dually... and we're off;
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Post Fiend
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Saving you from all the gory details... the same Ford Tech (Rich) stopped to see me on his way home, on the side of the freeway. He again pulled the filter, and then the LPR... and examined for debris, or whatever he could see in the mud and rain (remember, we're on the side of the freeway... laying in muddy rain water... with traffic whizzing by). Oil pressure showed on the gauge... but he said the scanner only read 30psi on the HIGH side. Which should rush up towards 1500 and settle down to 500-600 (I think he said, hard to hear him with all the traffic noise). He think I might have a leak.... so he's going to leak test the high side next week.
... several hours later, I'm home. Ex out front, waiting to be "tested"
... several hours later, I'm home. Ex out front, waiting to be "tested"
ICP sensor?
HPOP Leak test?
More Turbo
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Tech wants to do a HPOP leak test, due to the scanner readings.
... however, (he) can't touch it until next week. So I'm going to call another Ford Tech who's number I've attained during this saga. See what his 'next step' would be, or if he can check it out sooner.
UPDATE: the tech read my repair history, and thought I had a high pressure oil pump replaced (from my conversations, when I had said "HPFuelP") However, upon further eval of the history... that was not the case, and it was the FICM was replaced last year (dealer told me HPFP, go figure). Now, he said... "makes more sense... with the troubles". As the older HPOPs have a (quick release type) fitting that sometimes loses connection and therefore you lose OP. He said the newer models, don't have that fitting therefore don't have this problem. But also mentioned, trucks don't usually re-start due to that type of failure. He also mentioned the IPR Valve, and it being a possible troublesome point. But will check all of this with his 'leak' test this coming Monday
... anyone hear of these symptoms? (as I read other forums, I see more and more have had issues with this type of 'fitting' and O-Rings... or the IPR)
... however, (he) can't touch it until next week. So I'm going to call another Ford Tech who's number I've attained during this saga. See what his 'next step' would be, or if he can check it out sooner.
UPDATE: the tech read my repair history, and thought I had a high pressure oil pump replaced (from my conversations, when I had said "HPFuelP") However, upon further eval of the history... that was not the case, and it was the FICM was replaced last year (dealer told me HPFP, go figure). Now, he said... "makes more sense... with the troubles". As the older HPOPs have a (quick release type) fitting that sometimes loses connection and therefore you lose OP. He said the newer models, don't have that fitting therefore don't have this problem. But also mentioned, trucks don't usually re-start due to that type of failure. He also mentioned the IPR Valve, and it being a possible troublesome point. But will check all of this with his 'leak' test this coming Monday
... anyone hear of these symptoms? (as I read other forums, I see more and more have had issues with this type of 'fitting' and O-Rings... or the IPR)
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Tech wants to do a HPOP leak test, due to the scanner readings.
... however, (he) can't touch it until next week. So I'm going to call another Ford Tech who's number I've attained during this saga. See what his 'next step' would be, or if he can check it out sooner.
UPDATE: the tech read my repair history, and thought I had a high pressure oil pump replaced (from my conversations, when I had said "HPFuelP") However, upon further eval of the history... that was not the case, and it was the FICM was replaced last year (dealer told me HPFP, go figure). Now, he said... "makes more sense... with the troubles". As the older HPOPs have a (quick release type) fitting that sometimes loses connection and therefore you lose OP. He said the newer models, don't have that fitting therefore don't have this problem. But also mentioned, trucks don't usually re-start due to that type of failure. He also mentioned the IPR Valve, and it being a possible troublesome point. But will check all of this with his 'leak' test this coming Monday
... anyone hear of these symptoms? (as I read other forums, I see more and more have had issues with this type of 'fitting' and O-Rings... or the IPR)
... however, (he) can't touch it until next week. So I'm going to call another Ford Tech who's number I've attained during this saga. See what his 'next step' would be, or if he can check it out sooner.
UPDATE: the tech read my repair history, and thought I had a high pressure oil pump replaced (from my conversations, when I had said "HPFuelP") However, upon further eval of the history... that was not the case, and it was the FICM was replaced last year (dealer told me HPFP, go figure). Now, he said... "makes more sense... with the troubles". As the older HPOPs have a (quick release type) fitting that sometimes loses connection and therefore you lose OP. He said the newer models, don't have that fitting therefore don't have this problem. But also mentioned, trucks don't usually re-start due to that type of failure. He also mentioned the IPR Valve, and it being a possible troublesome point. But will check all of this with his 'leak' test this coming Monday
... anyone hear of these symptoms? (as I read other forums, I see more and more have had issues with this type of 'fitting' and O-Rings... or the IPR)
I have had that issue in a 2005 (STC fitting).
Oh.. in this thread... problem solved with the FICM:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ml#post9758646
Never hurts to sneak a peek at the FICM first.
More Turbo
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Ever need a tech in San Diego, PM me... he's awesome, half price of the dealer (charges half labor, and goes by the book for hours).
For the NON diesel gurus - like myself, here are the parts and their location
Here's the fitting that is being replaced, before it's removed;
Here is the new fitting:
Here is the old fitting:
Here is the old fitting, and how it separated;
Here is the general area of the HPOP, with cover removed (zoomed out a tad);
Zoomed out more;
Post Fiend
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Have him check to see if it needs cleaning.
And anything else while he has it apart.
More Turbo
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... turbo was just replaced under warranty. About 8K miles ago. But ya, he's into it and will inspect/check as necessary.