Yep they will do that.

You see, when you get your new title, there's nothing on it to tie it to the truck you have except that firewall tag. The frame vin is different than the vin on the new title and the year of the truck is not even correct.

In other words its about as uselful as having a title for a different truck. So if there's ever a challenge on the truck by a cop writing you a ticket for running a stop sign (remember that VIN number is also the one on your registration) and he correctly insists on seeing the frame stamped number - as they do in California, he's going to - at a minimum - write you a ticket because your registration doesn't reflect the frame vin. He may impound the truck and accuse you of having used the plates and registration from a different truck, and make you sort it out withthe judge. Luckily, it has your name on it and you still have the firewall tag.

But, the proverbial ounce of prevention...............

 

Moe, the glovebox doors 48-50 are one style and 51/52 are a different style. They have a funky grove at the top left corner just above the trim that corresponds to the grove across the top of the ash tray.

The SN for 51 is the same format as 52's - for all plants. I've read rumors that some were like the earlier series, but I've never seen picture of a truck with 51/52sheetmetal that had a verifiable early SN.

 

Your new title will come in the mail. At that time, I would take the title, the Authorities' written statement about the discrepancy (signed by Sheriff deputy such and such) back to the DMV and then apply for a new title. It may have to be as a reconstructed vehicle, but after the whole thing is done, at least the truck will match the frame and body. I will stress I am not in CA, but here in MN I can show you one process: http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/PDFFo...rms/recon9.pdf and know you will have a new title number and plates. And here's the other form: http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/PDFFo...rms/PS2000.pdf Both are required here in MN.

Here's the reasoning: The PO had the pickup titled using the '50 number. The '51 number is still floating out there. (remember my same dilemma) That '51 number's glove box and firewall tag might be put on some other truck the PO had, or the PO simply bought the serial number from someone else on the internet.... IE that whole "historical documents" thing. (I never liked that approach) Heck, the '51 title might be from someone deceased 30 years ago and have no chance of ever being proven.

The retitling will end up being a bonded title of sorts (again MN) and will give the PO any chance of recovering a stolen vehicle, if it is indeed stolen, but will at least rid of all possible problems in the future, all the while allowing you to still drive the pickup in it's current titled state since it will already be in your name.

All that said, I would talk to your deputy friend, and have him get the proper phone number for fixing such a problem. Every state has a DPS or DMV phone number..... including the inspector.

 

I'll include a page from the MN website showing what I'm talking about

Custom Built Car Registration in Minnesota

Custom-built, reconstructed, or specialty vehicles in Minnesota may be registered with the state's Driver and Vehicle Services (DVS), but are subject to inspection at DVS locations, which are listed online.

Before taking a vehicle in for inspection, you must apply for a Minnesota title, and must provide the vehicle identification number (VIN) on the application. If the VIN on a vehicle or parts has been removed, or looks as if it might have been altered or tampered with, a Minnesota title may not be issued, Minnesota DVS advises.

For vehicle customization and reconstruction projects that require removing VINs, Minnesota's Inspection Unit should be contacted first at (651) 296-9520 for guidance.

Once a custom car or reconstructed car registration application is reviewed by Minnesota DVS, additional documentation or information could be required. This includes the following:

* Completed Affidavit of Reconstruction, including details about vehicle alterations or reconstruction

* Proof of ownership for major vehicle parts

A vehicle might be subject to bonding if there is not minimum proof of ownership for the following components or parts:

* Cab

* Body

* Vehicle, truck, or motorcycle frame

If bonding is required, a statement and affidavit of protection must be included with the title application.

For more information, Minnesota DVS may be contacted by phone at (651) 296-6911, or by email at: motor.vehicles@state.mn.us

 

AAA might be able to guide you through all of this. The thread by NVRAGN that you posted in, might be a help as well. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...nse-plate.html

 

All correct.

The 51 Serial numbers used the newed format.

But until June of 1951, 51 trucks had the older (48-mid51) style Glove Box Door Rating Plate. These trucks also had the Firewall Patent Data Plate Older plate looked like this (note the pic is scanned out of the 51 Salesmans Handbook):



From June 1951, the 51s (and on) used the newer Glove Box Rating Plate - like this (from the 52 Salesmans Handbook:

 

Julie, do you have any info on when Ford went to late summer/fall as the beginning of the new model year?

In the SN list for 48-50 it appears that Ford used the calendar year, but then it gets fuzzy around the 50/51 break.
Thanks

 

I'm not sure when they started that, but I do know it wasn't 51 or 52. Number Dummy Bill would know for sure because new publications releases for Shop Manuals, Handbooks and Parts Manuals revolved around the begining of the new model sales year (then change pages would be issued as necessary for the rest of the year, etc). So the first year his Parts Manual was released in July or August (instead of November or December) of the year prior to the new Model Year, that's when they started that.

I think that for 51/52 the calendar year was also used.

The only indicator I have is in the "control" page for the release issues of the Salesmans Handbook. The print dates on them are dated two months prior to use and the effective dates are January 1 and June 1 of each year - for that year (not the next year for the June release).

In other words, the salemen were told to start using their 1951 books January 1, 1951. So, I guess I'm assuming the releases on those coincide with the opening of sales of the new year model.

The 48-50 Salesmans Handbooks evolved and each year only change pages were issued for the original 48 manual.

The original 1951 Salesmans Handbook was a complete re-issue (all the pages were removed from your 48-50 manual and replaced with the new 51 package)

The June 1951 change package on the 51 Salemans Handbook was substantial enough to warrant a complete reprint as well, where normally the mid year change pages prior to that would only be about 20 pages.

The first issue of the 1952 Handbook was again completely reprinted.

The initial printing/issue of the 51 Salesmans Handbook was November 15, 1950. But the initial release of the 1952 Salesmans Handbook was not until March 1, 1952!!!! So I'm wondering if sales of the 52 year group started late due to the Korean War?

I have the itemized list of effective pages for the mid 1950 Manual (which shows all the change pages back to 1948), the initial and mid term releases of the 51 manual and the initial release of the 52 manual. If anyone is interested in seeing those send me a PM.

 

the concert was awesome if ur wandering lots of gore!...i called the aaa lady and she printed me a copy of the title that i gave her also next week i am going to the dmv to appy for a new title or at least ask...but dont worry ill sort it out...with you and your advise thanks everyone specially wayne,,i could see him screming at me on his pc screen i will let you know when i get the right vin

 

Thank you - very interesting!
Tim

 

LOL! Just trying to look out for ya, pal!

 

i know i appreciate that,,,it would bother me if i was just ignored...

 

LOL! LOL!

Ignore you??????

This is what happened to the last person who ASKED us to ingnore him - FOFL!

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...se-ignore.html

 

ROFL

Poor George... Any thread with his name on it is bound to explode