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I guess BullyDog just announced one (thanks FTE PM Broadcaster) - available in a couple of weeks?
Just thought I would nudge this back to tuning a 2011 (and not so much on the environment or unions)
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Just thought I would nudge this back to tuning a 2011 (and not so much on the environment or unions)
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I know this sounds dumb, but what exactly does a tuner do for any diesel engine?
If a tuner will get you better mpg why wouldn't we all do it?
Horsepower should be a non issue "400/800"
So what advantages and disadvantages are there other than warranty?
I have never owned a diesel and before I do I want to make sure it is the right move. I have to wait until 2012's anyway.
If a tuner will get you better mpg why wouldn't we all do it?
Horsepower should be a non issue "400/800"
So what advantages and disadvantages are there other than warranty?
I have never owned a diesel and before I do I want to make sure it is the right move. I have to wait until 2012's anyway.
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we don't yet know the numbers on the latest tuner mentioned above... but they generally give increases in hp and tq. usually better mpg, too... but that usually involves some exhaust changes. depending on where you live, the exhaust changes might not be legal. we will have more details soon enough, but I'm guessing that the power increases from the bully dog tuner will come at the cost of MPG and warranty
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NOX standards for a given weight class are typically not as stringent in the EU in comparison to the US (a lot of diesels there still don't run particulate filters or urea injection).
NOX and particulates are usually the stumbling block for a diesel with emissions testing in the US, the standards created in the early 70's were created for gas engines, with their much lower compression NOX was less of an issue, and they have never really updated them specifically for diesels.
Oh, and on the tuner subject: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-streets.html
NOX and particulates are usually the stumbling block for a diesel with emissions testing in the US, the standards created in the early 70's were created for gas engines, with their much lower compression NOX was less of an issue, and they have never really updated them specifically for diesels.
Oh, and on the tuner subject: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...e-streets.html
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never really updated? what about euro1-5 standards that have gotten increasingly more restrictive since 1992... that's 5 updates in the last 18 years.
edit: I forgot to mention the fuel standards in europe that are far more stringent than they are in the US. 10ppm sulphur and higher cetane requirements... they aren't *quite* as tight on NOx (their higher cetane requirements lower NOx without equipment from manufacturers), but about the same as the US on PM. the NOx is still more stringent than it was in the 70s. Either way, the DEF system does not affect performance and reduces NOx... so european standards are not any more performance-permissive than US ones. If anything, the better (albeit a LOT more expensive) fuel in europe allows for better performance, but don't blame that on the EPA. it doesn't take long to do this research...
edit: I forgot to mention the fuel standards in europe that are far more stringent than they are in the US. 10ppm sulphur and higher cetane requirements... they aren't *quite* as tight on NOx (their higher cetane requirements lower NOx without equipment from manufacturers), but about the same as the US on PM. the NOx is still more stringent than it was in the 70s. Either way, the DEF system does not affect performance and reduces NOx... so european standards are not any more performance-permissive than US ones. If anything, the better (albeit a LOT more expensive) fuel in europe allows for better performance, but don't blame that on the EPA. it doesn't take long to do this research...
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we don't yet know the numbers on the latest tuner mentioned above... but they generally give increases in hp and tq. usually better mpg, too... but that usually involves some exhaust changes. depending on where you live, the exhaust changes might not be legal. we will have more details soon enough, but I'm guessing that the power increases from the bully dog tuner will come at the cost of MPG and warranty
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the BullyDog greatly increase the frequency of regeneration on the 6.4? To me that would be unacceptable on a motor that was already known for excessive regen in stock form.
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The standards when they were created (with gas engines in mind) were naturally restrictive on NOX, and have got stricter over time...
edit: I forgot to mention the fuel standards in europe that are far more stringent than they are in the US. 10ppm sulphur and higher cetane requirements... they aren't *quite* as tight on NOx (their higher cetane requirements lower NOx without equipment from manufacturers), but about the same as the US on PM. the NOx is still more stringent than it was in the 70s. Either way, the DEF system does not affect performance and reduces NOx... so european standards are not any more performance-permissive than US ones. If anything, the better (albeit a LOT more expensive) fuel in europe allows for better performance, but don't blame that on the EPA. it doesn't take long to do this research...
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