Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

4R100 Shift Issue

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 29, 2020 | 01:24 AM
  #1  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
4R100 Shift Issue

Hoping to get some technical advice here, especially from Mark but all comments welcome! Sorry for the long post. I have a 2000 f-250 diesel 4x4 (has it for about a year from PO) with a stock reman 4r100 with approximately 60k miles on it and the 7.3L rebuilt engine, bored .030 over, Chipped, pedestal turbo that can do 30lbs of boost. I have an aftermarket gauge pod showing Boost, EGT, and transmission temp, highest I’ve seen was 185 on the transmission. No idea if the TC is billet or multi-disk, my guess is that it’s bone stock (I know, not a good combo). I decided it was time for a tranny flush and some upgrades for towing to keep it cool. After getting a fluid flush at Jiffy Lube with synthetic multi vehicle aft I drove it about 5 miles home with everything operating normally. I then dropped the pan, changed the internal filter, added a bigger OTA cooler and a derale deep cooling pan, and plumbed an external filter with a pressure gauge on it. Changed out the cooler bypass tube and banjo bolts with a new unit from ford dealership just to make sure no issues. No leaks, pressure gauge in the green. I also installed new tranny cooler lines and a new radiator tranny cooler (old radiator sprung a water leak so I replaced that about a month ago). Did a flow test that passed with flying colors. Stock pan magnet had minimal material on it. I put everything back together, refilled the fluid to the correct level, and out for a test drive. The damn thing did not shift at all in drive, just stayed in 1 even close to redline rpm for a few seconds. It shifts 1-2 only in D2. In drive it feels like it’s slipping a bit at slow speeds. Once I hit the upper rpm band in d2, around 30mph, I can put it in drive and it seems to run normally in gear 4 with no slipping and normal acceleration. No clunks or abnormal sounds, temp is normal, just no shift in drive out of first gear. No tcil light flashing, speedo works fine, 4x4 works fine, even 4x4low works fine but still have the same no shift issue. I replaced the DTR sensor, reverse gear works fine and reverse lights turn on as they should, no change. I dropped the pan again and installed a brand new (not reman) shift solenoid, installed a performance reman accumulator valve body, dropped the main valve body and replaced the 1-2 shift spring with a new one (the original was not broken). Inspected all the pistons for movement and they seem fine. Lower Gasket was in great shape and all check ***** were in place. I checked the shift solenoid pigtail with a multimeter and the solenoids are getting voltage. after all that, re-installed everything and retorqued bolts to 100 in-lbs as specified in the ATSG. Refilled it and it’s STILL doing the same thing. Took it to a transmission shop in town. They hooked up a high quality reader and came up with no codes. Took it for a test drive with the code reader attached and he said everything looked to be operating normally; TSS and OSS operating normally, PCM commanding shifts normally, but it’s just not shifting in drive. He said it’s probably the sprag failed which I don’t necessarily agree with since it was fine until I dropped the pan to install a new filter and pan. I’m thinking it’s something electrical but I have no ABS light, no check engine light, nothing. I tried driving it with the alternator disconnected, no changes. Before I spend a ton of $ on a transmission drop, (if I have to drop it I’m just going to get a performance one and have the shop R&R it but I’m afraid the new transmission may not cure the problem), is there anything else I should look at? All the valve pistons in the valve bodies moved just fine. I’m going to replace the RABS sensor tomorrow (Cheap $15) and take it to autozone for an alternator test. I also have a shift solenoid replacement harness inbound (also cheap) and I plan to solder it in. The current harness and wires look ok but I’m wondering if there is a wiring issue somewhere as the truck was driven lots in the fields and mud by previous owner. I’m also going to add some additional grounds throughout the truck and check the current ground straps. I doubt that would be it since it worked just fine before the fluid/filter change. I’m at a loss at this point and trying to avoid a full transmission replacement. I appreciate any comments or advice anyone may have. Also tried driving it in all 6 chip settings, from stock to performance, still doing it.
 
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2020 | 08:39 AM
  #2  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,723
Likes: 2,650
From: SE Florida
Did you get a 4x4 filter for it? When you dropped the pan, how much fluid did you put back in? Are you checking the fluid level with the trans warmed up, in park, and engine idling?
 
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2020 | 11:32 AM
  #3  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Hi Mark, thank you for replying. I did put a 4x4 filter in it and added 7 extra quarts of fluid as called for with the derale deep pan. I checked the level when the trans was showing about 150 degrees on the gauge and it showed full.
 
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2020 | 05:52 PM
  #4  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Changed the Rear ABS sensor, still the same issue.
 
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2020 | 06:28 PM
  #5  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,723
Likes: 2,650
From: SE Florida
When you checked the level was the engine idling and the trans in park?
 
Reply
Old Jun 29, 2020 | 10:41 PM
  #6  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Hi Mark,
yes, engine was idling in park in a level surface. Fluid on the dipstick is at the Hot mark
 
Reply
Old Jun 30, 2020 | 06:50 AM
  #7  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,723
Likes: 2,650
From: SE Florida
You will need to look at what the PCM is seeing to find this problem. Get a laptop, an ELM327 adapter (available from Amazon for about $30) and Forscan (available free at www,forscan.org.) Then you can see what the PCM sees and what it commands. Then we can find out what's wrong. Or you can keep guessing at parts to change.
 
Reply
Old Jun 30, 2020 | 09:43 AM
  #8  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Thanks Mark, I’ll do that and report back what I find in a few days.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-2

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-5

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-7

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
Old Jul 4, 2020 | 02:26 PM
  #9  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
ok, I hooked up the cable to the port and my laptop with Forscan. Here are the codes it’s showing. ABS none. OBD2 none. PCM 0475 exhaust pressure control valve malfunction. Possible causes damaged PCM or damaged solenoid. PCM 0470 EBP sensor circuit malf. P0541 manifold intake air heater circuit. Possible causes short to ground harness wiring. P0640 Manifold intake air heater control circuit fault. Short to ground. No transmission specific codes
 
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2020 | 05:20 PM
  #10  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Ok did more troubleshooting with forscan. Also had the alternator tested, it passed. With shift selector in D, The PCM is commanding the gear change from 1 to 2 at the appropriate time, but the transmission does not shift from 1 to 2. TR 1,2,3, and 4 show open in D. In Man 2 TR 1 & 4 are open, TR 2 & 3 are closed. In man 1 tr 1 & 3 are open, 3&4 closed. TC slippage is within limits. Tranny temp is 150 degrees F. I have to move the shift lever to manual 2 for it to make the 1-2 shift. Interestingly, when I get up to about 35mph at the top end of manual 2, I can put it back in D and it drops to 4th gear immediately but I can accelerate to highway speeds. it up shifts to 3 automatically when needed. I haven’t replaced the harness pigtail yet and the shift solenoid is brand new (not a reman unit). TSS and VSS show no faults. Since the pcm is commanding the shift, it’s gotta be an issue with the harness right? Or is it the sprag that the transmission shop told me?
 
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2020 | 08:30 PM
  #11  
Mark Kovalsky's Avatar
Mark Kovalsky
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
25 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,723
Likes: 2,650
From: SE Florida
If it were a harness problem you would have a code for an electrical fault. Is that code there? If not, you can rule out the harness.

I suspect it is a bad intermediate one way clutch, also called the sprag. When you shift to manual 2 it engages the intermediate band. The band will replace the sprag for the 1-2 shift. The band is not used on automatic 1-2 shifts.
 
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2020 | 09:55 PM
  #12  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Thanks Mark! Guess it’s time for a new tranny...😟
 
Reply
Old Jul 16, 2020 | 10:33 PM
  #13  
macfarlb's Avatar
macfarlb
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
No electrical faults.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Vettedrmr
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
18
Sep 30, 2023 11:00 PM
Millinex
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case
1
Sep 30, 2023 10:39 PM
solareclpse2000
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case
14
Jun 11, 2018 04:21 PM
UrMedic
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
2
Jan 21, 2016 07:12 AM
corzolek
Clutch, Transmission, Differential, Axle & Transfer Case
9
Oct 18, 2015 09:19 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:28 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 10:59:05


VIEW MORE
story-2
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-6
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-7
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-8
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE