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Old Sep 21, 2010 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Stumpalump
Hey Johney this may sound crazy but I sold my 1998 F150 4.6L just north of you in Arkansas with Rancho RSX shocks on it. That was 10 years ago. Did you buy it with those shocks on it and was it tan with a few 1.5" holes drilled in the airbox? It's possible??? I don't think Rancho offers the RSX anymore but it was great on that truck. That whole truck was great!
No, I purchased that truck in Houston back in approx 2001. It was black over grey two-tone Lariat. I picked it up with 107K miles on it, and drove that truck til around 200K miles when I sold it to my Dad. He's still driving it all over and it's up to around 250K now....those Reflex shocks I put on at 120K or so will be at well over 100K miles of use now, and they just work.
Here's a pic of the old truck right after I got it:

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Old Sep 21, 2010 | 05:27 PM
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Stumpalump - I agree on your rant. Most automotive shock absorbers are unbelievably horrible compared to the jewels that can be made. I have several motorcycles and do most of my own suspension rebuilding and tuning.

Main factor? Cost vs what consumers are willing to pay.
Did you ever price out a replacement shock for your XR? These pressurized, remote reservoir, digressive valved, multi-adjustable shocks with totally separated circuits for compression and rebound (Ohlins, Wilbur, Showa, KYB, WP, et al) are not cheap.... At low volumes (like for motorcycles) they are well over $500. Each. The really sweet ones are over $1000. And each one is tweaked to meet the needs of the individual.

Looking at one of these gems from a manufacturing engineering perspective, I think I would be hard pressed to get one to be manufacturable for much less than $50 to $75 - even at high volumes. With all the mark ups and warehousing costs, a shock like that is going to retail for at least $200 each at high volume....
The "white shocks" probably cost about $5 to $10 to make. Seriously. And with so few models made, warehousing is much less.

99% of automotive consumers would think $250 for a shock is too much - I mean, they can get a POS shock for only $25 from Wal-Mart, and they're too clueless to believe there could even be a difference, so why bother? So no market.

Motorcyclists tend to be more exposed and better educated about suspension performance and are willing to pay. So there is a great market.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2010 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Stumpalump
Here is the sad part...Dirtbikes and Moutain bycycles have adjustable suspension. On my old Honda XR400 for example you get to fool with all of these adjustments. Rear preload and sag based on adjustment and spring rate, rear compression dampening and rear rebound dampening. One click on the adjusters can make a difference if you spend a little bit of time understanding whats happening. It's a little complex but not rocket science. Same type adjustments for the front but you can also change weight of fork oil and height of fork oil.
I once again agree with this. That is the one thing I really liked about the Bils. They had more rebound damping vs the compression damping. Much better than most shocks I've tried. In a perfect world we would be able to adjust comp and rebound separately like on the bikes. The earlier Rancho 9000s just changed the compression. The new ones change both but in a fixed relationship and they are still short of rebound damping vs comp, or stiff on comp vs rebound, however you want to look at it. Control of each individually would be great.
 
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