Just as an FYI, a VGT re-learn is only required on trucks equipped with a 2003 model year engine (they don't use EBP sensor input to determine turbo boost).

 

I got hold of the EPA who stated the same thing Ford did and said that when I brought it back, a day after the factory warranty expired, it was out of their hands. Same B.S. as the Ford guys...

 

Yes, turbo was from Ford, done by the dealer. They just put a reman on there when I thought I was getting new. Didn't say about a warranty, but I will be checking on that. they kept the box...

 

To be fair then, I have to say, I trust Ford remans...

 

On ANY warranty covered repair, we (dealer techs) are required to return old parts in the box with the repair order number written on it, back to FOMOCO. This is Ford's way of ensuring that A. the repair is actually done B. to end up in the hands of the Gods at WPEC for inspection and C. for the repair to be charged back to the dealer (and the servicing tech's pay taken back) if they find any excuse to determine the part replaced NOT faulty.

 

But that was based on a 8 year, 80k warranty (at least as I recall) wasn't it? Unless your truck is not 8000k GVWR, you have 5 yrs and 100k miles.

Post 10 and 14 of the link below indicate you are under 100k miles.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ord-sucks.html

In post #1 of the link above you indicate that the warranty was up (presumably on time) on Sept. 12th. but you first took it in on Sept. 2nd:

I am officially not a fan of Ford Motor company anymore. They are spineless, cheap, and dont care about us as a consumer. Just wanted to let every single Ford owner on the site to know that. Here's why:

September 2, 2010- Took my '05 Excursion 6.0 into the dealer because the turbo wasn't spooling. They pulled the turbo and "cleaned" it according to Ford service directives. The tech at the dealership said it needed to be replaced, but Ford said to try and clean it first.

September 9, 2010- Got the X back from the dealer, drove it to the house, as I pulled into my neighborhood I noticed the turbo was doing the same thing and not spooling. Called the dealer the next morning and made them aware of the problem, they said they couldn't take it until monday the 13th.

September 13, 2010- Took the X into the dealer, bot the phone call stating the turbo needed to be replaced, and "oh by the way it's not covered under warranty since it expired yesterday on Sunday the 12th..."

Ask a tech like cheezit or m-chan68, but the above verbiage from your post (at least what you represented) indicates you have coverage - because you started the issue on Sept 2nd.

 

My truck has 95,000miles and is over 5 yrs old. So either way I'm screwed...they are considering the initial problem that I brought it in on Sep. 2nd as "irrelevant". They are saying that since I brought it back in, it is a seperate work order and is not subject to warranty coverage because the ticket is dated the 13th. The EPA basically said the same, "when you brought it back in on the 13th of Sep., your warranty was up regardless of whether it was related to the first problem."

 

That is why I'm so pissed, they never fixed the problem the first time I brought it in. Ford basically told me to get f!%#$ that they didn't care that they never fixex the problem the first time...it wasn't there problem. WTF??

 

Scott,

Diplomacy with the Ford Customer Service rep.

Try that.

Don't get angry, present the facts fairly and honestly first.

See how far you get...

IMHO, most times, Ford is more than honest in their dealings.

 

When I initially spoke with the owner of the dealer, he said that he would let me know the next time the rep was there. I havn't heard a word from him, and have not had any success at finding out who he is or what his name is...it's like he's someone special and they wont tell you who he is for some reason. That was my plan from the start to try and get with him to plead my case, but havn't had any success. Do you know any way to find out who he is?

 

There is an 800 number that any customer can call, bud.

It is in your manual.


FYI, in the short time I have been on this forum, looking at all the unnecessary repairs being done under warranty or otherwise....

And the "self inflicted" issues that Ford paid to repair under warranty...

I tend to side with Ford much more than I do with others.

Even though I have no stake in either side.

Just basic fairness ----

The 6.0 is one of the most unfairly maligned pieces of industrial machinery out there.

 

That's my next step I guess. Thanks for the info.

 

ok I thisnk we have a few things going on here.
first mark is somewhat right on the epa thing.... but If your truck is 10k gvw most of the 05+ trucks are then it falls under 5/50 I think.
now so far as finding out who the ford service engineer is that just wont happen. those poor guys are so busy its not funny. they main function is really tech assist, there second function is issues like yours.
The number for Ford is 1800-392-3673 in the us.
M-chan covered the new vs remain part to a "T".
Depending on what state you live in you may have more options.

 

Thanks for that info.

If I understand the relearn correctly, the actuator still need to find the "max" and "min" even without the EBP determining the turbo boost.

I am under the impression that all the actuators get "cycled" to "learn" the maxi and min position and to calibrate their readings to the PCM.

Am I correct?

 

Thanks cheezit. It does state 5 yrs / 50 K for many of the components. However - it does state 5 yrs / 100k miles "FOR COVERED ENGINE PARTS". I'll see if I can call up the electronic verison.

Here is the verbiage (I have much of it memorized as should MOST owners):

EMISSIONS DEFECT WARRANTY COVERAGE
During the warranty coverage period, Ford Motor Company warrants that:
• your vehicle or engine is designed, built, and equipped to meet - at
the time it is sold - the emissions regulations of the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency (EPA).
• your vehicle or engine is free from defects in factory-supplied materials
or workmanship that could prevent it from conforming with applicable
EPA regulations.
• you will not be charged for diagnosis, repair, replacement, or adjustment
of defective emissions-related parts listed under What is Covered?
on pages 13-15.
The warranty coverage period for:
• Passenger cars, light duty trucks (vehicles with a GVWR of 8,500 pounds
or less
— 8 years or 80,000 miles (whichever occurs first) for catalytic converter,
powertrain control module, onboard emissions diagnostic
device, natural gas vehicle (NGV) module (Bi-fuel/CNG), electronic
emission control unit, and transmission control module;
— 3 years or 36,000 miles (whichever occurs first) for all other covered
parts.
• Heavy duty vehicles (vehicles with a gross vehicle weight over 8,500
pounds)
— 5 years or 100,000 miles (whichever occurs first) for covered diesel
engine parts;
— 5 years or 50,000 miles (whichever occurs first) for all other covered
parts.

WHAT IS COVERED?
These parts are covered by both the Emissions Defect Warranty and the
Emissions Performance Warranty.

List of Parts Covered for 5 Years or 100,000 Miles (whichever
occurs first) by Emissions Warranties for Diesel Engines
• Air Flow Sensor
• Air Fuel Feedback Control System and Sensors
• Cold Start Enrichment System
• Electronic Engine Control Sensors and Switches
• Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) System
• Exhaust Manifold
• Fuel Injection System
• Intercooler Assembly - Engine Charger
• Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
• Turbocharger Assembly

The parts NOT listed above are under the 5 year / 50k coverage.

Most people would be writing letters, having meetings, filing in small claims court, etc for that kind of cash ........