But everytime I see somebody picking on our poor 6.0s in the SD forum, I just can't taking that laying down. It just amazes me how they are able to just take numbers and use them to show their point, when there is very little context in those numbers except those that reported issues and/or warranty claims.

I really should just stay out of that forum, but I'm afraid too that someone is going to get scared away from the 6.0 by people disseminating incomplete information.

I know I don't have the answers either and no one will be able to fully get them, but still they just speak one side and that's it. Very rarely in life are things that black and white. I would like them to be, but they rarely are.

 

You are 100% correct. Look at the health care and immigration issues. Nothing today is black and white because the sqeaking wheel gets the grease wether it is right or wrong.

 

And that's why I'm glad that I didn't find this site until after my purchase. This is my first diesel and love it to death. I knew about some of the problems that the 6.0 has, but I knew that I would overkill the maintainance and could buy the upgraded parts if needed. In my case, the 6.0 picked me...I wanted the last year of the Excursion, Diesel, and a America product. "Tex, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it."

 

Hate to break the news my friend, but the Super Duty forum is not the only place people bash the 6.0 psd. Perception and bad experiences are tough to overcome especially after $40-$60k was invested.

Honestly I would not recommend a 6.0 psd to a friend or family member, but I don't going bashing the 6.0 at every opportunity also.

Disclaimer: If someone already made up their mind to buy the 6.0 psd, my advice will then be make sure you're in a financial position to handle any expensive repairs that may or maynot occur.

My brother in law has finally had it with his 04 6.0psd and will be putting it up for sale with 50k miles of continues problems with mainly EGR and oil leaks. Sure maybe the tech/s didn't solve the root cause of his problem, but when you have 7.3s and cummins 5.9s getting the same treatment, the problem child has a way of standing out of the crowd.

 

Ironically my 7.3 left me stranded and my pre-emission 5.9 was filled with problems.

 

2 of the 3 trucks I had run away on we were 7.3's

now all in all I have family that has a 6.8l same basic truck. Its not a bad ride either. but Its not ever going to be or beat a diesel.

 

Im with ya. I cant even refuel my truck without someone coming up to me and asking if its a 7.3 or a 6.0 and get the story how bad the 6.0 is and that they cant figure out why ford stopped using the 7.3. They seem to know how bad the 6.0 is but they are not familiar enough with the trucks to tell by the body style that it has to be a 6.0

 

Just take advantage of people dumping 6.0s and buy them. If buying private party, act stupid when you "find out" it's a 6.0 and pretend to be depressed.
There is no point in promoting an engine that isn't made anymore (because it cost Navistar and Ford hideous money and reputation damage) but there is every point in getting what YOU want for less money.

It shouldn't matter if someone else likes your engine or not. I don't care if someone doesn't like my sump pump, it's an expendable machine like all machines. My vehicles are just vehicles. They serve me or I'll sell/part out/crush 'em. Please me or die. Too bad I can't extend that to more than equipment...

My Ford-disliking friend routes Fords to me, I route (some) Chevys to him, and we send Dodges to our masochist buddies (though if I snag one with a Cummins it can stay!).

 

You probably didn't drive that 7.3 & 5.9 in the proper manner, and didn't do the correct PM on those engines. And when they were in the shop you probably had an incompentent techs working on them!

But the bottom line those engines, although they do have their problems, don't have the bad perception the 6.0 psd has. Everytime I open a new Diesel Power Magazine there are articles on how to solve all 6.0 problems, or how to bullit proof the 6.0. These type of articles don't help the 6.0 image/perception and your loosing a fighting battle my friend!

 

You have to realize it's a little personnal for some people.

 

Holy crap this is a funny post, I was at the hockey game last nite(Go Hawks) and the guy I end up sitting next to starts BSing with me, so I ask him why he was late? He tells me his 7.3 wouldn't start... He then tells me it's an 03 with 91k and he is on his 3rd trans. The last thing he told me was how he'd rather have that than a 6.0 or a 6.4 I told myself I paid waaaayyyyy too much to be here. I'm not gonna say another word to this clown....

 

guys as a tech I get paid to work on this stuff. I hate to say they all break.
If they isb was so great I am I a certified ISB tech.... its because they also fail.

 

When I had those trucks, I did none of the work on them. I took them in as close to what was on the sticker on the top left of my windshield told me to do. So the dealership handled all the upkeep on my trucks until the 6.0. Strange now that I think about it. I faired better with my 6.0 when I did things myself and I was more knowledgable about it then when I just was a mindless drone taking my trucks in to being serviced.

Perception though isn't truth. Don't confuse the two. People make assessments based on perception, I won't deny that, but it doesn't mean that they are accurate in their assessment. There is a perception that a/m intakes help out with performance on a stock 6.0 or just tuned 6.0. I've seen the dyno runs with just a stock 6.0 with an intake and there is no performance benefit, in fact, there is a backwards movement in performance of the filter itself in actually filtering. Yet there is that perception that the a/m intakes are good for our trucks. Perception isn't always truth.

They also advocate using a/m intake to help performance on a tuned 6.0. While I do like looking at Diesel Power and it does let me know what's out there, I don't take everything they say at face value. Particularly when they advocate things that I know not to be good or do what they are saying that they do. Plus when they run a dyno a truck that has had both an intake and a tuner put on it, it's hard to say what help was actually given by the intake when I've physically seen people do dyno runs with just an intake installed and it do nothing.

 

Tex,
Take a little time out and go to any 7.3 or 5.9 forum and see if you can dig up this same type of discussion where someone is tired of their 7.3 or 5.9 being bashed. Then give us a full report if you perceived this type of activity or not!

Perception may or maynot be the truth.

 

On the 7.3 I know some of them are tired about the tranny behind their engine being bashed and some of them are tired about their engine being bashed because it's outdated. I know some of the 5.4 guys are tired about their engine being bashed. Every engine, or close to it, has their bashers no matter rather it's overall good or overall bad.

I'm sure there are other things that I'm missing as well that were bashing material. Rather or not they equal the scope or severity that your looking for I don't know, but there is bashing going on about those engines and others. I know a guy that had a 5.9 CR that was doing bashing of his on due to always have to have the clutch replaced it seems every 20k, and that is a known weak point on those manual trannys of dodges. I don't know him to be a bad manual driver either, but that could also play into it.