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Old May 27, 2010 | 08:13 AM
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DPF Delete Question?

I did some search and havent found what im looking for. Does anyone make a DPF Delete kit that is just that? I'm not wanting to put a big chip or programmer on just want rid of the DPF! Looking for some better milage and no regen!
 
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Old May 27, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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I did some search and havent found what im looking for. Does anyone make a DPF Delete kit that is just that? I'm not wanting to put a big chip or programmer on just want rid of the DPF! Looking for some better milage and no regen!

Spartan Diesel Technologies is your answer. I know you're not looking for big power, but you DO need a programmer and Spartan has a DPF delete tune that is "stock no regen". You won't see any real MPG improvements though. You'd have to get their higher HP tunes for that. Check'em out. They have a lot to offer. They ain't the cheapest, but they are the best. Why go cheap after spending all that $$ on the truck?
 
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Old May 27, 2010 | 03:26 PM
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How about the H&S performance kits? Are they any good? How do they compare to the Spartan?
 
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Old May 27, 2010 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by R-T0r21on
Spartan Diesel Technologies is your answer. I know you're not looking for big power, but you DO need a programmer and Spartan has a DPF delete tune that is "stock no regen". You won't see any real MPG improvements though. You'd have to get their higher HP tunes for that. Check'em out. They have a lot to offer. They ain't the cheapest, but they are the best. Why go cheap after spending all that $$ on the truck?
I find this hard to believe. If you remove the DPF and run the stock "no regen" tune, you WILL see better gas mileage. For one, you won't be entering the regeneration process, thereby saving fuel. ALSO the exhaust will flow *MUCH* better resulting in better MPG for the entire tank of fuel. I bet you see an easy 2-3 MPG.
 
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Old May 27, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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I find this hard to believe. If you remove the DPF and run the stock "no regen" tune, you WILL see better gas mileage. For one, you won't be entering the regeneration process, thereby saving fuel. ALSO the exhaust will flow *MUCH* better resulting in better MPG for the entire tank of fuel. I bet you see an easy 2-3 MPG.
Is this based on experience or assumption?
I have not seen anyone reporting 2-3 MPG better with straight DPF delete. The only people that are getting that much better MPG are those that are going the DPF & DOC delete with a high HP Spartan tune.

The high HP Spartan tune removes the enviromental lag at take off, re-tunes the injector timing, disables the EGR etc etc
A straight DPF delete tune would leave the environmental lag at take off and the injector timing would still be retarded (for emissions). I can't believe you could get 2-3 MPG increase out of this.
 
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Old May 27, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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astamp78, you are correct. He won't see 2-3 MPG improvement. That's what I said and it's not any "belief" or "assumption". I run the higher HP tunes and I have run the lower HP tunes. It's the tuning that gives us the MPG's, not the free flowing exhaust. The exhaust is only a part of the equation.
 
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Old May 27, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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So who makes what im looking for? Anyone running the H&S performance stuff?
 
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Old May 28, 2010 | 06:45 AM
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So who makes what im looking for? Anyone running the H&S performance stuff?
Spartan seems to be the best way to go for a DPF delete to get the best MPG gains. If you want a little better MPG, more power but leave the emissions intact, then I would suggest the Banks tuner.
 
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Old May 28, 2010 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by thw420
I find this hard to believe. If you remove the DPF and run the stock "no regen" tune, you WILL see better gas mileage. For one, you won't be entering the regeneration process, thereby saving fuel. ALSO the exhaust will flow *MUCH* better resulting in better MPG for the entire tank of fuel. I bet you see an easy 2-3 MPG.
Spoken like someone with NO actual experience. It's been discussed on here many times and lots of guys will show evidence that simply deleting the DPF doesn't amount to any substantial gain. Maybe 1 MPG better if you drive it easy and tilt your head at the right angle when doing the math. Listen to what the other EXPERIENCED guys said and do the tuning if you do the DPF delete. There are lots of guys jumping on the tuning band wagon now so do some research and find one that's in your budget (if you don't want to shell out for Spartan) but keep in mind that you are saving pennies on something that could cost big $$ down the road.
 
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Old May 28, 2010 | 12:27 PM
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Spoken like someone with NO actual experience. It's been discussed on here many times and lots of guys will show evidence that simply deleting the DPF doesn't amount to any substantial gain. Maybe 1 MPG better if you drive it easy and tilt your head at the right angle when doing the math. Listen to what the other EXPERIENCED guys said and do the tuning if you do the DPF delete. There are lots of guys jumping on the tuning band wagon now so do some research and find one that's in your budget (if you don't want to shell out for Spartan) but keep in mind that you are saving pennies on something that could cost big $$ down the road.
Exactly...they also have to calculate the cost of the tuner vs the fuel savings/mileage and then they'll realize everything will pay for itself in...ohhhh....38 years.
 
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Old May 28, 2010 | 04:01 PM
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The only people that are getting that much better MPG are those that are going the DPF & DOC delete with a high HP Spartan tune.
How high a Spartan tune does a person need to realize an improved MPG?
 
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Old May 28, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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The 275HP tune seems to yield the best MPG's, but they all improve MPG's incrementally. The problem is, having all that extra power makes it hard to resist putting your foot in it now and then, and playing a little!
 
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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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Exactly...they also have to calculate the cost of the tuner vs the fuel savings/mileage and then they'll realize everything will pay for itself in...ohhhh....38 years.
Um sorry man but you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I drove 30,000 miles in or year. And I know for a fact I average 4mpg better than stock running my Spartan tune. So you can do the math... Based on that I paid for the tuner, dpf delete, and the dashdaq in one year. In 38 years I will have saved roughly $76,000 how bout dem apples
 
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Old May 31, 2010 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon D
Spoken like someone with NO actual experience. It's been discussed on here many times and lots of guys will show evidence that simply deleting the DPF doesn't amount to any substantial gain. Maybe 1 MPG better if you drive it easy and tilt your head at the right angle when doing the math. Listen to what the other EXPERIENCED guys said and do the tuning if you do the DPF delete. There are lots of guys jumping on the tuning band wagon now so do some research and find one that's in your budget (if you don't want to shell out for Spartan) but keep in mind that you are saving pennies on something that could cost big $$ down the road.
Brandon D, if you are spending big bucks to add a Spartan and a DPF selete system to save pennies throughout the trucks life then why have you added a system like this to your truck?

I'm just trying to sort out if it is worth it or not as there seems to be a 50/50 split on its actual value.
 
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Old May 31, 2010 | 02:58 PM
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I can't justify it's value for what I need. I figured out back when fuel was $4.50 gal. it would take 3 years or so to break even. Then loosing the warranty also taking it down then back for the inspections adds to the burden.
Now some are saying it's better for the engine in the long run so it's not dumping fuel into the crankcase but running more hp would do it more harm I would think. Seems either way we loose.
One guy figured between the EGR deletes,tuner,dpf delete,hoc delete it needs to breathe and run right it would run 4K. I find that ridiculous. I'll trade it in before I do that probably.
 
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