What kind of oil and filters are you using and what is your drain interval. The fuel injectors are fired by high pressure oil so if you dont change it often, or use crappy products, guess what suffers...you guessed it injectors.

How often do you change your fuel filters and what kind of filters do you use? Diesel fule is dirty no matter how you slice it, do you buy from a high volume dealer, are you using bio diesel?

As far as being to 2 different shops, that would mean nothing to me. There are planty of dealers operating that dont have a clue, maybe dont even have diesel techs. I would try to find another shop or call sutomer care, tell them the 2 shops you have been to, and then tell them you want to go to a shop that has a diesel tech.

Just my .02

Sarge

 

Any other questions??? So does anyone else agree with me that I own a piece of JUNK!!! and that FORD Build a LEMON with my YELLOW truck????

 

There are tools that we use to gauge excessive blowby (if theres oil &gunk in the intake) theres reference values to watch sensor performance at different operating conditions (such as EOT, a major input for turbo boost. If the oil is cold, no boost. Is it constantly displaying cold oil?). Sorry, still think someone isn't doing enough.

 

All of which would be checked and verified by a Certified 6.0 Technician, which Vince (vloney) most certainly is. He is providing you with an educated sight-unseen diagnosis based on his years of experience. That is valuable and I hope you heed his advice.

If it helps, yes, your truck is a piece of junk.... with that stated, locate a Certified 6.0 Technician that will truly diagnose your 6.0 and not throw parts at it hoping to fix the issue(s)! Or sell the truck at a loss or start the Lemon Law process and move on.

 

Hey sorry to put you out just tryin to help with all my questions. Most often its the basics that people look over, but hey dont worry I wont say anymore.


Sarge

 

These are the readings they got on the turbo trip to the dealer that initially started with the replacement of the computer that has now lead to them stating that the injectors are bad. See whatcha think.

9438a 2.0
MT6682 1.5
6005F .4
6005F1 .1
6005F2 .1
6005F6 .1
6005F19 .3
6005F38 .6
6005f45 .3
6089A .4

They stated that they found to be weak with no power performed fuel pres test ok, performed ecc test got codes koed, called hotline was told to check ust selinoid, replaced ust selinoid. had 10 psi boost, contacted hotline was told to perform 09-16-s(?) tsb performed restested PO 046 p2262 KOEO okay. Retest BUT road test found turbo still not boosting normally. remove/replace turbo w/new. retest 24-28 lb

went to pickup would not go over 35 mpg out of the parking lot. returned to dealership, stayed another 2 days found intake gasket blown, replaced changed egr cooler, antifreeze, oil filter, oil AARM Modul Engine Control and ran ok. left dealership. ran good for 2 months. back in shop after cold morning starts of sputtering and running only 35 mph until it warmed up. 3-5 miles) once it warmed up.. then it would run like nothing was wrong.
Engine started surging then hesitated diagnosted cleaned tube and replaced rpl sensor and ebp sensor. Started loosing anti freeze again.. took back to another dealership .. another egr cooler. still didn't fix the miss at cold start. stated though it was anti freeze from egr cooler in intake. Still not fixed. Took back again.. stated no 2 and 5 injector bad.

Thoughts???

 

So do you not agree?? LOL I do

 

Actually no, I think you are dealing with incompitent techs. Not a defect in the truck. I have a 06 with 61k on it and yeah its had some issues, but mainly caused by me cause I dont drive it much anymore. Its only had 1 bad injector though.

My truck did some of the same things yours did but it was the FICM causing my issues. Most everyone here thinks these trucks are junk, the sad truth is the truck is only as good as the user, which if what you say is true of your maintence and I have no reason to doubt you, you are doing a great job, but if the tech (s) that you use to service it when broke suck, your end opion of the truck is that it sucks.

I've been there and done it with my 04. I thought that the 6.0 was the bigest piece of crap there was becuase it leaked coolant and the dealer I used couldnt fix it, so it was bought back. Had I listened to the folks on here and taken it to another dealer it would have been fixed and I still would be driving it.

We ll thats water under the bridge for me, my F-150 couldnt handle the weight this truck does, and after 61k, I am happy that I have a 6.0

I truly hope that your issues get resolved and you too can see that these trucks are great, but the key is maintence, which again you seem to be on top of, and finding a good, competant, 6.0 savy tech...not all are believe it or not.

Sarge

 

We try our darnest to stay on top of the maintenance. My truck still looks new. We have a 1998 Peterbilt with a 500 cat motor in it and it has over 300,000 miles on it and still running strong and I do agree. Maintenance is the key to the success of your vehicle. We do keep up with the maintenance of our vehicles. Like I said... we buy in bulk so that it's there when we need to change and not just when we get the chance to buy. I may be female, but I do use this truck for hauling tires, and parts for his truck so it's not used in a girly way. I'm a hard driver... It doesn't see under 70 either. I pull trailers with it and the whole package. Does the speed have anything to do with it?

 

No speed has nothing to do with it. These trucks are made to run. You are working it the way you should, you are doing the proper maintence, I think the problem is on the dealer side.

I would call Ford customer care and see if there is another dealer in your area that could better help you. I know that the dealers are supposed to be the end all be alls but sometimes theya re only as good as the techs want to be.

I worked in a GM dealer for 15 years before opening my own shop. I did it because I got tired of the SM adding useless things to the RO just to make a buck. It got to the point where I would only work on warranty work cause he couldnt push that snake oil crap and useless services on people.

I think its cool that you are a woman and do all of those things with the truck there is a lot to be said for that, and also that you are concerned enough to know there is a problem. Most of the people I see here at the shop, both men and women, are too lazy to even take the time to see that there is something worng with there vehicle, so I commend you.

I wish you were closer cause I would look at your truck for free and point you in the right direction, all 8 injecotrs failing at once just makes no sense to me, and the root cause needs to be found.

Just a thought that came to mind, is your charging system up to snuff, batteries good, weak batteries, low alt. output have tragic effects on electrical components and that will also create a trickle effect. For instance low FICM voltage will cause injector issues and FICM failure. The root cause is most likely a bad battery(ies), or alternator.

Sarge

 

The trip that they did replace the computer in it they actually did trace the wiring harness and made sure that there were no shaffed wires or broken connections and did replace a section of the harness that did have a small brake. But they said that did not show any codes before or after and they did not replace anything else. They did tape another small section up that was chaffed but not broken into the wire. They did say they checked the alternator and battery because we had asked the same thing when they were lost. We we asked about the computer. Everyone was lost the time they worked on it then. They even called in a field tech to help work on it. He did not figure it out.. myself and my husband were the ones that requested trying the computer and testing it. It was then that they found it to be bad. It worked at load but intermittent or something like that not at load. Man I wished you were closer!! I've had more questions answered today than I have in a long time!! Keep up the answers!!

 

I may have missed it but what year is your truck. I know you said its yellow so i am assuming atleast an 05, I think thats when they started the Amarrillo package.

Have you checked for codes yourself? or maybe a third party to check the codes for you. I would thaink that a truck running that poorly would have some sort of code for sure.

Like I said with the symptoms you are describing I wouldnt rule out the FICM, especially since the truck runs fine when warmed up some.

Sarge

 

I haven't checked the codes myself. We don't have anythign to check them with. What's the best thing to get to check them with? How much do they cost? Something that will work best later down the road. ( I just left for the past hour and took the truck fromt he closest dealer and relocated it to the next dealer to see what they say about the problem of the injectors. They are going to check it with cold start in the morning)
Cross your fingers. Yes it is a 2005. But not the Amarillo package only the 250.

 

Unless I missed it they changed the egr cooler twice and not the oil cooler which is usually the cause of egr cooler failure.

 

First, if this conversation is after advice to go after Ford, I am going to say I am out of it.

Ford made good on their warranty to the tune of close to $1 billion (shared with Navistar) and lost their shirt.

I have yet to see a case where Ford (corporate) really didn't act honorably.


Insofar as the 1998 compare. That is just flatly not applicable.

You are comparing an engine that is pre-EPA, without any of the smog component issues that is the No. 1 source of reliability problems.

Nor does it have much in the way of serious electronics controls (for smog etc.) that creates another reliability nightmare.

Then there is the whole set of issues introduced with ultra low sulfur diesel.


If you were to strip the 6.0 down to its elemental (pre-smog state), the bottom end, etc. are exceptionally well built, and certainly 250,000 miles is not an issue.

I have one of the highest mileage engines here - I can tell you my motor's core components are as strong as I can expect.


What is breaking is all the stuff they hang on - oil cooler, EGR cooler / valve, sensors, wiring, electronics, etc..

I hate to put it this way, but it is EPA / Clean air act.

It was only after the fact that all the manufacturers figured out what broke and why with EPA regs and what had to be done to fix it.

The Cummins are no better on a direct - year to year - compare with the Navistar.

Go to the Cummins forum and see for yourself.


So quite frankly, here is how I see your choices:

A) Sell it.

B) Don't bother buying another new one - EPA 2010 from what I heard is going to be no better, with lots of reliability issues from brand new, untested systems like the Diesel fluid injection system and the DPF.

That is true for Ford, GM, and Dodge.


C) If you are really into medium duty needs (full power output for towing, etc.), the answer will be a bona fide medium duty truck, with the medium duty costs and bills.

The day when you can tweak a factory diesel to produce a lot more power than stock and not pay the reliability / failure bill is over.



D) The days when diesels are tolerant of sloppy fuel, incorrect lubricants, filters, etc. is also over.

Tolerances are just far too tight, and things like EGR is messing up oil far sooner than expected.


If you listen to the gossip, the improvements in CK-4 (PC-11 ASTM) are pushing the oil business harder than they dare to admit, with further reduced limits on a lot of commonly used additives.

It is tougher and tougher out there...