PHP tuned FICM
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I think you would be surprised about how well Casserly has done with modifying the 6.0 injectors.
I've actually only had one bad injector of his and that was actually due to the the oil rail being over tightened(or atleast this was the only thing that I could find) causing a small oil leak. Trust me, those injectors have been through a lot and they are still going.
You're right, it takes a lot to bring out quality, but it is out there. You just have to know where to look.
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The reason I like the 6.0 is that it is actually very overbuilt.
I dare say (but cannot prove for now) that the 6.7 / new Navistar 6.4) will be less durable.
Problem is they underestimated stress on key parts (oil cooler, casting sand, EGR), and especially, in the complexities of electronics / electrical failures and the software needed to cope with it.
That destroyed the reputation of what is fundamentally a sound engine that is engineered to last over 250,000 miles of average use.
I do not believe the median new 6.7/new 6.4 will make it past 200,000 miles.
I have no doubt, specifically, that the 6.0 injectors are overbuilt.
They can put out a lot more fuel and operate for much more cycles than needed to meet the 250,000 mile spec.
That is, providing they are not overstressed "wrong". One of the most wrong overstress is to subject the coils to excess voltage (breaks down insulation, etc.) or the actuators to excess velocities (over voltage).
Keep those things in line, and the durability of that part should be at least as good as the block / bottom end / pistons / heads.
So much of the problems could have been resolved with a seriously better grade of wiring / vibration isolation / mounting / insulation and connectors.
Oh... then there are some real serious issues with how they wrote the software... but that story is for another book.
Navistar, at the end of the day, simply do not have the expertise / experience of a "big 3" in software.
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The reason I like the 6.0 is that it is actually very overbuilt.
I dare say (but cannot prove for now) that the 6.7 / new Navistar 6.4) will be less durable.
Problem is they underestimated stress on key parts (oil cooler, casting sand, EGR), and especially, in the complexities of electronics / electrical failures and the software needed to cope with it.
That destroyed the reputation of what is fundamentally a sound engine that is engineered to last over 250,000 miles of average use.
I do not believe the median new 6.7/new 6.4 will make it past 200,000 miles.
I have no doubt, specifically, that the 6.0 injectors are overbuilt.
They can put out a lot more fuel and operate for much more cycles than needed to meet the 250,000 mile spec.
That is, providing they are not overstressed "wrong". One of the most wrong overstress is to subject the coils to excess voltage (breaks down insulation, etc.) or the actuators to excess velocities (over voltage).
Keep those things in line, and the durability of that part should be at least as good as the block / bottom end / pistons / heads.
So much of the problems could have been resolved with a seriously better grade of wiring / vibration isolation / mounting / insulation and connectors.
Oh... then there are some real serious issues with how they wrote the software... but that story is for another book.
Navistar, at the end of the day, simply do not have the expertise / experience of a "big 3" in software.
I dare say (but cannot prove for now) that the 6.7 / new Navistar 6.4) will be less durable.
Problem is they underestimated stress on key parts (oil cooler, casting sand, EGR), and especially, in the complexities of electronics / electrical failures and the software needed to cope with it.
That destroyed the reputation of what is fundamentally a sound engine that is engineered to last over 250,000 miles of average use.
I do not believe the median new 6.7/new 6.4 will make it past 200,000 miles.
I have no doubt, specifically, that the 6.0 injectors are overbuilt.
They can put out a lot more fuel and operate for much more cycles than needed to meet the 250,000 mile spec.
That is, providing they are not overstressed "wrong". One of the most wrong overstress is to subject the coils to excess voltage (breaks down insulation, etc.) or the actuators to excess velocities (over voltage).
Keep those things in line, and the durability of that part should be at least as good as the block / bottom end / pistons / heads.
So much of the problems could have been resolved with a seriously better grade of wiring / vibration isolation / mounting / insulation and connectors.
Oh... then there are some real serious issues with how they wrote the software... but that story is for another book.
Navistar, at the end of the day, simply do not have the expertise / experience of a "big 3" in software.
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Boy, there are some people that really do love their giggle juice.
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At the time I bought it, several things influenced my decision
1. They were a little cheaper (still are I believe)
2. I had read good feedback on the owner (Bill IIRC) and his honesty
3. Offered tuning that was specifically aimed at mpg increase (which was probably just the way they chose to describe their product).
4. They had a company rep active on one of the major forums (can't recall which one), but I thought that was a plus - to have access to them through a forum. Innovative may also do the same, I just wasn't aware of it.
Now they seem to have a business relationship with Swamps - I think that is a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, Eric at Innovative is a good guy also from what I hear. I just chose PHP. If you want to wait a while longer, I will give more updates next week.
1. They were a little cheaper (still are I believe)
2. I had read good feedback on the owner (Bill IIRC) and his honesty
3. Offered tuning that was specifically aimed at mpg increase (which was probably just the way they chose to describe their product).
4. They had a company rep active on one of the major forums (can't recall which one), but I thought that was a plus - to have access to them through a forum. Innovative may also do the same, I just wasn't aware of it.
Now they seem to have a business relationship with Swamps - I think that is a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, Eric at Innovative is a good guy also from what I hear. I just chose PHP. If you want to wait a while longer, I will give more updates next week.
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Tim, I have to apologize! I truly meant to put a "thank you" in my original post to you. I probably would not have got the FICM without you telling me that Matty had one for sale! Now I am making up excuses so that I can run some errands and drive the truck - and I think I will start controlling my right foot next week .
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I don't think I can wait much longer on Sarge for the "volume deal" approach.
Geez, we must be on the same wave length. I was thinkin the same thing...been watching the DD and seeing the alt. is not putting out much more that 13.8 anymore.
Sarge
Geez, we must be on the same wave length. I was thinkin the same thing...been watching the DD and seeing the alt. is not putting out much more that 13.8 anymore.
Sarge
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ohio generator vs DC Power alternator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ0xr...layer_embedded
I wonder if DC would do a group deal ............
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Mark
The only thing I might suggest is if you are pushing 200amp out of an air cooled alternator, the easiest way to get more bang for the buck is to use an external rectifier with its own cooling system / cool air intake apart from the alternator case.
The thing that peters out first is never the alternator per se, but the electronics overheating.
Note that the test ratings are never done with the kind of underhood (or in alternator case) temperatures we are use to seeing --- which is well above underhood temperatures.
Good luck.
The only thing I might suggest is if you are pushing 200amp out of an air cooled alternator, the easiest way to get more bang for the buck is to use an external rectifier with its own cooling system / cool air intake apart from the alternator case.
The thing that peters out first is never the alternator per se, but the electronics overheating.
Note that the test ratings are never done with the kind of underhood (or in alternator case) temperatures we are use to seeing --- which is well above underhood temperatures.
Good luck.