PHP tuned FICM
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The reason I wouldn't is because I like mine fine stock and I have to meet all regulations including a smog check.
However, if you are virtually building a new engine from the block up, the 6.0 block is incredibly rugged, and highly upgradeable once you rid it of the bling bling and smog stuff.
Mind you.. we are talking about an industrial / off road engine here.
I would build using the core 6.0 block, heads, and ditch the oil cooler (replaced with external), and EGR subsystem.
The reason I wouldn't is because I like mine fine stock and I have to meet all regulations including a smog check.
However, if you are virtually building a new engine from the block up, the 6.0 block is incredibly rugged, and highly upgradeable once you rid it of the bling bling and smog stuff.
Mind you.. we are talking about an industrial / off road engine here.
I would build using the core 6.0 block, heads, and ditch the oil cooler (replaced with external), and EGR subsystem.
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As it is defined now, mine will still meet a smog check check in both TX and TN. Now I'm not required to go through either one, but mine can pass if need be as far as. Now for some visual inspection, I may or may not pass, it just depends on what they are inspecting for, but as far as the actual readings for emissions(as they are currently being done in both places), mine will pass.
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I am sure I would be single if I spent money for a nos system
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Better power is a byproduct of better efficiency from the fuel economy program. The higher HP tunes are the best fuel economy tunes. It's all about controling your right foot.
You've been driving a truck that has to be designed to please everyone that buys that truck for however many were produced. One "tune". Get the transmission tuned and REALLY enjoy your truck. You already have plenty of HP.
You've been driving a truck that has to be designed to please everyone that buys that truck for however many were produced. One "tune". Get the transmission tuned and REALLY enjoy your truck. You already have plenty of HP.
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Tungston coating is one huge benefit to an injector upgrade. Plus the tend to handle 0 psi for quite a bit of time before they crap out on it(mine still haven't during my time of 0 psi, but I'm still nervous about it and it's been over a year).
Necessary if you upgrade the injectors, strongly suggested if you are with the stock ones.
03 turbos have the potential to get about another 20 hp compared to what the later stock turbos would get, they are about 3mm bigger then the 05 and later turbos.
I think Tim was talking about the 03 turbo I have sitting in the floor of my garage, I have the pedistal, and vgt as well.
I should know this one but what is the coating on the 4c3z-9e527-xxx injectors (late modle)
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page 27, pic 53:
http://turbodieselforums.com/downloa...004%20Book.pdf
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I thought the plunger on these injectors had a tungsten coating, but the literature just refers to it as a "diamond like" coating.
page 27, pic 53:
http://turbodieselforums.com/downloa...004%20Book.pdf
page 27, pic 53:
http://turbodieselforums.com/downloa...004%20Book.pdf
I can't speak for the Navistar injectors, but I know that Bosch has a lot invested in a "Diamond like Carbon coating".
Modern fuel injection systems for cars consist of precise mechanical parts, which need solid lubricant coatings to be protected from friction and wear. Diamond-like-carbon (DLC)-coatings show crucial advantages in a low wear (see the high hardness), in the low coefficient of friction (even for a non-lubricated contact with steel as a counterpart) and in the low wear of the counter body. Several examples of applications of DLC-coatings are discussed.
"Industrial use of plasma-deposited coatings for components of automotive fuel injection systems"
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My bad, y'all are right. Diamond like is a tungsten carbide coating.
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This is a pretty good description of the coating techniques.
Diamond-like carbon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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1. They were a little cheaper (still are I believe)
2. I had read good feedback on the owner (Bill IIRC) and his honesty
3. Offered tuning that was specifically aimed at mpg increase (which was probably just the way they chose to describe their product).
4. They had a company rep active on one of the major forums (can't recall which one), but I thought that was a plus - to have access to them through a forum. Innovative may also do the same, I just wasn't aware of it.
Now they seem to have a business relationship with Swamps - I think that is a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, Eric at Innovative is a good guy also from what I hear. I just chose PHP. If you want to wait a while longer, I will give more updates next week.
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Innovative does through powerstroke.org, or atleast they did when I was somewhat active there. Something about FTE always keeps me coming back here versus staying over at the .org. I don't think I've signed on over at the .org in a few months, if not longer.
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One of the problems with playing around with injectors that have been plasma coated with DLC is that it is no longer possible to use standard tables to estimate wear etc.
The precise type, nature of the coating (how thick, actual characteristics), are not that easy to reverse engineer without some very high tech inspection tools.
So the "upgradability" and remanufacturability of factory injectors so manufactured are far more difficult to assess without serious testing and failure analysis.
Another "get it from factory" or nothing solution.
That is why I am so distrustful of eBay / rebuilt / unknown fuel injectors.
Too much technology in them that have defied many attempts to copy / clone them.
I have yet to see a Chinese clone injector show up for a 6.0.
The precise type, nature of the coating (how thick, actual characteristics), are not that easy to reverse engineer without some very high tech inspection tools.
So the "upgradability" and remanufacturability of factory injectors so manufactured are far more difficult to assess without serious testing and failure analysis.
Another "get it from factory" or nothing solution.
That is why I am so distrustful of eBay / rebuilt / unknown fuel injectors.
Too much technology in them that have defied many attempts to copy / clone them.
I have yet to see a Chinese clone injector show up for a 6.0.