Stealership Results!!!!
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You need to find out what tests they did on the injectors and the results. Buzz Tests Contribution tests. That is kind of an Odd arrangement of Injectors to go out. 240 dollars is damn ridiculous for a compression test.
Most dealerships are around 80 dollars an hour. However there is a limit. if a job takes 3 hours they typically will only charge for 3 hours if the mechanic took 5 they normally still charge for 3 hours of work.
Most dealerships are around 80 dollars an hour. However there is a limit. if a job takes 3 hours they typically will only charge for 3 hours if the mechanic took 5 they normally still charge for 3 hours of work.
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Laughing Gas
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From: North Port, Florida
I just got back home and I am glad to see everyone helping out again.
The notes I got from Millner O,Quinn is
DTC's P1280 P1247
Errattic ICP Low, Erratic Low Boost
Cyl Balence, Engine Miss
2,3,8 Must have Manual Compression Test
Exhaust Leak Manifold to Turbo Pipes
Rear end Noisey
Perform 09509 Install Jumper Harness
Well The shop in Oak Grove also opened a shop in Holden which is closer for me so I guess I will drop it off to them tomorrow on my way out of town, and see what they say when I come back Sunday.
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Laughing Gas
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Yes I did mean that the results where ugly, but then agian my truck is not the best looking either I guess.
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Laughing Gas
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From: North Port, Florida
Is the truck at Milner-O'Quinn in Harrisonville right now? I have used them before with good results, but I was very specific with my requests. Having anybody do diagnosis work gets expensive fast.
I am just up the road from you in Raymore. I don't have a lot of experience with my AE setup, but am willing to try and help with the diagnosis if you want.
I haven't heard about that shop in Oak Grove but it might be worth checking out. With the number of cylinders reporting problems I too would lean towards it being harness related.
I am just up the road from you in Raymore. I don't have a lot of experience with my AE setup, but am willing to try and help with the diagnosis if you want.
I haven't heard about that shop in Oak Grove but it might be worth checking out. With the number of cylinders reporting problems I too would lean towards it being harness related.
I really appreciate the offer and I might take you up on it when I get back in town. I will see what Midwest diesel has to say first then go from there. I am in southern H'ville 307th and TT
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Laughing Gas
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I dont know how far you are from Andrew (JKidd) but he has an AE and is very well versed in the woes of injectors. Brad (beanhead) is also close by also. Both are great guys and I am betting that they would be willing to help you out.
If 4 of them are out then it sounds like a harness or possibly an IDM issue.
I would get your truck out of there for starters. For what they are going to get you for diagnostics you can buy an AE and do it yourself.
Buy a new truck cause yours is ugly?????? Very nice professional comment. I would be making a phone call or two about that one.
If 4 of them are out then it sounds like a harness or possibly an IDM issue.
I would get your truck out of there for starters. For what they are going to get you for diagnostics you can buy an AE and do it yourself.
Buy a new truck cause yours is ugly?????? Very nice professional comment. I would be making a phone call or two about that one.
thanks again everyone for the advice my truck is now back home and will go to Midwest Diesel in the morning.
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For $4000 you could get Stage I Remans ($1100ish) an Adrenaline HPOP ($700ish) and an F5 chip for just over HALF that price, assuming you do the work yourself, and/or with the help of friends.
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No worries, good luck and keep us posted.
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In my area, independant shop are usually about the same or real close to what the dealers charge on labor rates.
Even though I work for a dealership, I am not defending them by any means because none are the same and should be judged on a individual basis. There are gonna be happy and pizzed off customers at any shop.
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Labor times are industry standard via Chiltons, All-Data, Mitchell and so on. They do vary but are usually pretty close. Is a technician to be penalized for knowledge and experience if he can do a 5 hour job in 3 hours? I turn wrenches for a living, my knowledge is worth something to me and I always treat my customers fairly and honestly. Here on FTE and the few people that I have helped is always free, I recieve and I give back when I can.
In my area, independant shop are usually about the same or real close to what the dealers charge on labor rates.
Even though I work for a dealership, I am not defending them by any means because none are the same and should be judged on a individual basis. There are gonna be happy and pizzed off customers at any shop.
In my area, independant shop are usually about the same or real close to what the dealers charge on labor rates.
Even though I work for a dealership, I am not defending them by any means because none are the same and should be judged on a individual basis. There are gonna be happy and pizzed off customers at any shop.
Seems every person that takes their truck to the dealer with a problem and posts on here, the dealer finds things to replace that dont need replaced. Not to mention, the art of diagnosis is seemingly fading and the first things to be replaced are injectors and HPOPs.
Not a generalized working of all dealerships, but unfortunately many have given them this bad reputation.
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3 & 8 generally show up as questionable because of the new style CPS, If you have the gray one, I wouldn't sweat those. I'd ask him to see the contribution & rotational velocity test results. Make them PROVE to you they are bad. Then go from there. If they're telling you those holes are bad/weak, they HAD to do that test, so demand to see the results.
Are you running any tunes at all? The HPOP codes are normally attributed to that, especially your 15 deg pump.
Are you running any tunes at all? The HPOP codes are normally attributed to that, especially your 15 deg pump.
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I realize labor times are standard by the book. Thats not so much my point as to that of the amazing list of things that "need" repaired they always come up with.
Seems every person that takes their truck to the dealer with a problem and posts on here, the dealer finds things to replace that dont need replaced. Not to mention, the art of diagnosis is seemingly fading and the first things to be replaced are injectors and HPOPs.
Not a generalized working of all dealerships, but unfortunately many have given them this bad reputation.
Seems every person that takes their truck to the dealer with a problem and posts on here, the dealer finds things to replace that dont need replaced. Not to mention, the art of diagnosis is seemingly fading and the first things to be replaced are injectors and HPOPs.
Not a generalized working of all dealerships, but unfortunately many have given them this bad reputation.
A happy customer may tell 1-2 people about their experience but one thats pizzed off will tell 10-20.
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You are exactly right. The problem is with the individual, not the dealer, unless the dealer lets them get away with it. I have worked with many people over the years and those types usually dont last long. Last fall I went to work for an independant shop, and just to give you an example, Had a car that needed a sensor for the timing advance gear, dealer price for the sensor $95, the shop bought the part from the dealer at wholesale cost, charged the customer $167 for the part and $80 labor. But HEY! they were $15 cheaper on their labor. That didnt sit well with me so I came back to the dealer. I get horror stories all the time from people about different shops, dealers included.
A happy customer may tell 1-2 people about their experience but one thats pizzed off will tell 10-20.
A happy customer may tell 1-2 people about their experience but one thats pizzed off will tell 10-20.
It is just getting rediculous with the amount of information manufacturers provide to some of these so called "techs" so they can work completely out of the book. Ask them to diagnose something and they give you a list of parts of half the engine.
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Is a technician to be penalized for knowledge and experience if he can do a 5 hour job in 3 hours?
Even though I work for a dealership, I am not defending them by any means because none are the same and should be judged on a individual basis. There are gonna be happy and pizzed off customers at any shop.
Even though I work for a dealership, I am not defending them by any means because none are the same and should be judged on a individual basis. There are gonna be happy and pizzed off customers at any shop.
Within the dealership and within independent shops, I have also found that one tech will be better than the other. Like I said, go with the tech whether he is at the dealership or the independent shop. Some techs are just plain stupid some are good. The dealership has the advantage of having the latest tech bulletins and factory support, not to mention they have familiarity since that line is all they work on. A truck shop will work on 50 different lines and while they can do all, they might not be the master of that one thing.
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Basically, I wanted them to run their sniffer over my AC system since they said it was about $40 plus freon. This system was converted to R134 and was leaky. I just about had a heart attack when I saw the estimate. The high side and low side were leaking. About $600 to fix it.
Here is where it got rediculous:
$41 for the new valves ($12 at Napa)
$99 to clear the code the BCM set (disconnect battery using MY quick disconnect)
$196 to screw out the old R134 adaptors and screw new ones in (I think I was the one getting screwed)
Hell, they didn't even offer me any lube to make it easier.
I bought my own adapters and screwed them in. Well, I made a mistake and left the old schraeder valves in. Went to the Midas in the Falls and they tried to fill it up. Didn't work so they removed the new adapters I put on, took out the schraeder valves and screwed back new adapters. Now it works like a charm. I have AC. All for the cost of $130. In fact, with the valves now FUBARed, we had to extract them carefully and they kept the charge as quoted when I told them initially that they had to leak test and fill.
Here is where it got rediculous:
$41 for the new valves ($12 at Napa)
$99 to clear the code the BCM set (disconnect battery using MY quick disconnect)
$196 to screw out the old R134 adaptors and screw new ones in (I think I was the one getting screwed)
Hell, they didn't even offer me any lube to make it easier.
I bought my own adapters and screwed them in. Well, I made a mistake and left the old schraeder valves in. Went to the Midas in the Falls and they tried to fill it up. Didn't work so they removed the new adapters I put on, took out the schraeder valves and screwed back new adapters. Now it works like a charm. I have AC. All for the cost of $130. In fact, with the valves now FUBARed, we had to extract them carefully and they kept the charge as quoted when I told them initially that they had to leak test and fill.
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