Ford has offically lost touch with reality
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Judging by his username I'm sure he's a ford certified technician who can answer this better than I. But the way I understand it removing the cab takes less than two hours, which is far less time than dissassembly of the necessary components needed to perform certain repairs that normally are done with the cab removed.
Here's the first line of the cab-on repair:
Originally Posted by ford workshop manual
NOTE: It is recommended that this component be serviced with the vehicle body removed. If the body can be removed, refer to the "Body Off" version of the procedure.
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The only Vic I have had was a 5.0 model. I have only been in a my cousins a time or two, so I can't say what the actual time was. I just know it was slow lol.
You could make a pretty nice sleeper out of one with a 5.4 in it. I've got two fox body mustangs I am needing to put an engine in. I've got a 351W and a 5.0 sitting in the garage, but I would kind of like to put a 5.4 in one of them. I saw where a guy did that a while back, but he had to do a lot of cutting and basically remake the entire firewall area to get it to fit. I already have one with a 351, so I would kind of like to do something different this time.
My first choice would be a 7.3, but the majority of those I find are in rough shape. I don't mind the engine having 200-300k miles, but the trucks are generally crap (ripped seats, steering wheel leather falling off, stains everywhere, etc). That and the 99-04 SD's had serious payload issues. I could go either way with the 6.0 or v10, but with the proper mods you can get really good mpg's out of the 6.0. Downhill with the key off is the only way to help the v10 lol. The 6.4 is a good engine and can get good mpg's too, but I refuse to buy something that Ford designs with the intent to keep me from working on it.
You could make a pretty nice sleeper out of one with a 5.4 in it. I've got two fox body mustangs I am needing to put an engine in. I've got a 351W and a 5.0 sitting in the garage, but I would kind of like to put a 5.4 in one of them. I saw where a guy did that a while back, but he had to do a lot of cutting and basically remake the entire firewall area to get it to fit. I already have one with a 351, so I would kind of like to do something different this time.
My first choice would be a 7.3, but the majority of those I find are in rough shape. I don't mind the engine having 200-300k miles, but the trucks are generally crap (ripped seats, steering wheel leather falling off, stains everywhere, etc). That and the 99-04 SD's had serious payload issues. I could go either way with the 6.0 or v10, but with the proper mods you can get really good mpg's out of the 6.0. Downhill with the key off is the only way to help the v10 lol. The 6.4 is a good engine and can get good mpg's too, but I refuse to buy something that Ford designs with the intent to keep me from working on it.
The guy that said he had to do all that to put a 5.4 in a fox lied
We have a '93 coupe with a 2V 5.4 in it and didnt have to cut a single thing Even with a Vortech YSI with cog drive hangin off it 
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I can't remember which mag it was in, but the one I read the most is 5.0 mustang and super ford, so it would more than likely be that one. It was a pretty intensive procedure from what they described. They said you had to move the entire firewall back about 2 inches, make the doghouse bigger, cut into the side of the engine compartment to make room for headers, etc. If it can be done without all of that, then that is good to hear.
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Taking the cab off takes two hours, but putting it back on is probably going to take three because it always takes longer to put stuff together than to take it apart. If I had a shop with a high enough ceiling to do it in and a lift to do it with, it might not be that big of a deal to me. I plan on having a shop/lift eventually, so I might change my mind towards it when that time comes.
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I would be 100% behind all the things to make the cab off procedure easier, so long as you didn't have to take the cab off to do any kind of work to it. It would make engine removal a lot easier when it came time to rebuild, which I would support fully. But when it comes to something as simple as changing a head gasket or taking a valve cover off, I want to be able to fix it without removing the cab.
Taking the cab off takes two hours, but putting it back on is probably going to take three because it always takes longer to put stuff together than to take it apart. If I had a shop with a high enough ceiling to do it in and a lift to do it with, it might not be that big of a deal to me. I plan on having a shop/lift eventually, so I might change my mind towards it when that time comes.
Taking the cab off takes two hours, but putting it back on is probably going to take three because it always takes longer to put stuff together than to take it apart. If I had a shop with a high enough ceiling to do it in and a lift to do it with, it might not be that big of a deal to me. I plan on having a shop/lift eventually, so I might change my mind towards it when that time comes.
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That's the way I understood it too, but if you browse the 6.4 forum there are many posts that say anything other than changing fluids and filters CAN'T be done without taking the cab off. Like headgaskets. From what I have gathered, there is no cab on procedure for doing that. Or a turbo o-ring. I may be wrong, but that's what the 6.4 guys I have talked to have said. If the cab off is simply an easier way to do something, but it can still be done with the cab on, then I don't have a problem with that.
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That's the way I understood it too, but if you browse the 6.4 forum there are many posts that say anything other than changing fluids and filters CAN'T be done without taking the cab off. Like headgaskets. From what I have gathered, there is no cab on procedure for doing that. Or a turbo o-ring. I may be wrong, but that's what the 6.4 guys I have talked to have said. If the cab off is simply an easier way to do something, but it can still be done with the cab on, then I don't have a problem with that.
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That I have no idea about. It's just different threads I have read on here. Someone will ask a question about the 6.0 vs the 6.4 and someone with a 6.4 will say that the procedure is easier for shop techs to remove the cab, but it can be done with the cab on. But with the 6.4, it can't be done at all without removing the cab. Like I said, I don't own one and have never worked on one, so all of my knowledge on it comes from here and from reading mags (which has already had one thing proven wrong).
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Well that is good to know. They had an interview with a Ford design guy a while back and he said that unlike the 6.4, the 6.7 will not require cab removal. Some people say it has to come off, others say it doesn't. That's one of those things a guy needs to know before he drops that kind of money on a truck.
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I know exactly where that's at. It's only about half an hour from here. I've got a couple of friends from Nickelsville and we would ride all around that area just cruising around wasting time.
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That's alot of money. Maybe they would come down in price if the government told the manufacturers to lower their prices. The government runs the banks healthcare why not the auto manufactures. Was at the local ford dealer the other day brand new Ford Edge with every option was 38,000 dollars. Dealerships charge high prices on parts, service and vehicles maybe our government should drop the taxes you pay on a vehicle they would probability sell more than they did with the Cash for Clunker program.
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The vast majority of people think modern cars and trucks are overpriced. I disagree, the complexity of modern cars which is necessary to meet increasingly tough federal standards forces manufacturers to create very complex solutions simply to sell cars. I think new cars today are a reasonable price considering what they have to do.
That being said it's a well known fact that domestic cars are overpriced on the window sticker. Does anyone here know anyone who has paid MSRP for a domestic car in the last 20 years? So the true selling price is often far below "MSRP", so the sticker price isn't always the best to go on.
Originally Posted by Heavy Duty f250
Was at the local ford dealer the other day brand new Ford Edge with every option was 38,000 dollars.