Not so sure about:

built better: build quality, maybe. Materials quality sharp decline in past 5 years.

last longer: not anymore - again last 5 year is reversal.

more reliable: depend on timeline. 6.0 was not at first, now pretty good.


There is a sharp decline in quality of materials etc. by all car makers in the last 5 years.

 

Interesting, Gearloose! Have any data to back that up?

I've not seen an example of reduced quality unless you consider brand new complex emissions systems needed to comply with the EPA and CARB.

 

I would say they put a lot more money into R&D now than they used to for sure. The electronics and emissions are a lot more complex too. No doubt about that. The engines are defintely made to last longer. 100k miles was good for an engine back then. Same for an auto tranny. Quality has improved on some things.

If you look at the bones of a truck though, not much else has changed. Tires, frames, beds, seats, carpet, headliners, hoods, fenders, doors, windshields, etc, are made the exact same way they have been for 50 years. King Ranch leather is a lot fancier looking than the leather in my OBS Bronco, but I know it won't last any longer(I would even bet mine would last longer). My seats are 18 years old and have 215k miles on them and they look better than 90% of the SD's I see for sell that are less than 5 years old. If I need to get pictures of them for anyone to verify it as more than hearsay, then I can do that tonight....

 

I priced them before adding any other options, just the base price and then configuring it how you saw the truck: diesel, DRW, 4wd or not. So if it was a 2wd KR DRW diesel with no other options added (which I doubt any KR has), then it gets *relatively* close to the price you say was the sticker price, but it still higher.

This is exactly my point.

 

$52,500 or even $54k isn't too far off from $50k. They may still be higher than what I remembered, but they are still LOWER than the lariat I looked at. Even if I was way off in what I remembered and the KR came in at $62k(which it didn't), it was still LOWER than that lariat. I wouldn't care to pay what Tom paid for his truck. But with a decently equipped one having a sticker of $63k, I just don't see them coming down that much.

 

My truck still has the original window sticker in the glove compartment. It was just over $38,000. 2WD Lariat crew cab 6.8L/torqshift, camper package, 4.10 locker,etc,etc...
I just "built" the same truck online with a 6.2L, and it's only $42,275,and it has many more goodies on it than mine like power sliding mirrors, power rear sliding glass, premium audio system etc.
I don't see a HUGE price increase-even considering that the 6.2L is the base engine now with no V10 upcharge.
JL

 

Phillips91

What was the year of the KR dually diesel trucks you saw last year? My 2010 KR SRW CC LB V10 4X4 without Nav and several other options stickered at 49.5K The diesel option is about 7K over the V10, add that to the additional cost of the dually and the MSRP is most likely 57-58K. If I could have found a KR diesel dually for 50K sticker I would have jumped all over that.

Mike

 

Another thing to consider is that you are comparing gas trucks. The difference in them isn't that bad comparing yours to the current gasser. But take that $4,275 yours has went up and then add in the extra cost that the diesel has now that it didn't have before and that differential grows even more.

I'm still undecided about the 6.2 though. It's a step up from the 5.4 for sure, but I'm thinking it's a step down for the v10 guys. 1st gear is a lot steeper than before, so that will help a lot getting the load moving, but it is still way down on low end torque compared to the v10. I think that is going to result in a lot more downshifting and a lot more climbs at 5k rpm when pulling a trailer. That isn't going to help fuel mileage having to run it like that either.

 

I went and looked at it last year, so it had to be either an 09 or a 10. I'm about 99% sure it was an 09 though. I wanted to buy it. Trust me lol. I do think the $45k asking price is a bit much for a truck, but I wouldn't have thrown too big of a fit over it.

The main reasons I didn't buy it were because we have two houses for sale right now and I would like to get them sold before I make any big purchases and because that body style requires cab removal for the diesel. If I go with the 08-10 body style, I am getting a v10.

 

 

Not 2X as fast. The Crown vic does 0-60 in 7.7-8.0 and the charger takes 5.9-6.2. The CVPI has 250HP. Some of the FHP cars have 304, but thats a whole other topic.

 

I was taking the Vic's time from the article I read about the new Taurus cop car. They said the Taurus was going to be around 5.0 and the Vic was almost 10. Whichever time is right, it's still a long ways behind the Charger. 2 seconds is a long time in 0-60.

I had a guy wanting to make an offer on one of my houses the other day and I already had a v10 picked out if I sold the house. 2009 KR, crew cab, dually, 15k miles, for $31k. The guy offered about $15K less than I was asking, so no sale. If I get an 05-07 I am more than likely going with a 6.0 though.

 

Uh, no. Mine has a NPI 4.6 that fails a compression test ( under 100 PSI on all 8) and burns oil and it still runs 8 flat 0-60.

I am going to put a PI 5.4 in as soon as I find one.

I agree there, you look at 0-100-0 and I think it was an 6 or 7 second diffrence.


Why is that? You could get a V10 in that year range too.

 

The only Vic I have had was a 5.0 model. I have only been in a my cousins a time or two, so I can't say what the actual time was. I just know it was slow lol.

You could make a pretty nice sleeper out of one with a 5.4 in it. I've got two fox body mustangs I am needing to put an engine in. I've got a 351W and a 5.0 sitting in the garage, but I would kind of like to put a 5.4 in one of them. I saw where a guy did that a while back, but he had to do a lot of cutting and basically remake the entire firewall area to get it to fit. I already have one with a 351, so I would kind of like to do something different this time.

My first choice would be a 7.3, but the majority of those I find are in rough shape. I don't mind the engine having 200-300k miles, but the trucks are generally crap (ripped seats, steering wheel leather falling off, stains everywhere, etc). That and the 99-04 SD's had serious payload issues. I could go either way with the 6.0 or v10, but with the proper mods you can get really good mpg's out of the 6.0. Downhill with the key off is the only way to help the v10 lol. The 6.4 is a good engine and can get good mpg's too, but I refuse to buy something that Ford designs with the intent to keep me from working on it.

 

Some say that started a little bit with the 6.0 though. Also, you can still work on a 6.4, you just have to do a little more investing in the right tools to do the job.

When there is a will, there is a way.