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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 01:23 PM
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Need input (supercharger project)

Thinking one night about building a new 2V V10 to handle some boost and my options. Bolt on kits are limited to Vortech or Paxton and I want instant boost so that's out. Kenne bell and whipple no longer make the V10 kits so that's out as well. Turbo would be great but it's been done before. This is where it gets good.

2V V10's are just 5.4L with two extra cylinders. So I was think of taking two factory lightning lowers, cutting them in two and joining them back together. This would allow me to "bolt on" any factory or after market ford lightning parts. These parts are plentiful and cheap. Here is the specs for Lightnings vs. V10's

Lightning:

HP: 380
TQ: 440

V10's

HP: 310
TQ: 425

Keep in mind the lightning only has the 5.4L in it. Ford would have been better off offering the supercharged 5.4L instead of the V10 Just imagine how much power and torque a Eaton M112 on a V10 will make. What do you guys think? Worth it or not? Don't worry about the fab work on the lower as I have access to a full machine shop. Fire way!
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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I would think there is more diffrence between a lighting 5.4 and "standard" 5.4. Such as heads, cams,ignition, mass air, and injectors. Also remember the V10 was out in 1997 and the supercharged 5.4 later. I'm sure a supercharged and properly tuned V10 would be awsome!
 
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Old Jan 11, 2010 | 08:35 PM
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I seem to remember a post on here some time ago about this same thing. Do a search. I think it would be great to have a roots type blower for one of these things. Of course, I also think it would be awesome to have one with ANY blower in a FOX body Mustang. Is that weird?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by VAXB
I would think there is more diffrence between a lighting 5.4 and "standard" 5.4. Such as heads, cams,ignition, mass air, and injectors.
The engines internally are identical except for the pistons. The Lightning version has forged pistons,and the standard 5.4L has hyperutectic pistons. Heads, cams, crank, etc, etc, etc are all the same parts. Of course the top end is different, as is the MAF, and the fuel system components.
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 08:43 AM
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Uhh...learn somthing everyday. I would have guessed the cam duration and overlap would have been diffrent and the blown motor to have a lower overall compression ratio.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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I picked up a lightning lower this weekend and sat it on the engine. Push the intake all the way forward/back and everything lines up! Searching for another lower to cut up and make one big one now. Will try and get some pictures for everyone.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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You HAVE to take PICS!

And, after asking for advice, don't come back and say you have a kit to sell

If you're building the V10 just for this, use the Lightning pistons, or some other forged choice, and maybe/definitely a good set of rods. Just keep in mind, the intricate balance of the V10, and try to keep the rods and pistons the same weight as stock - in other words, don't throw away the old pistons and rods

I've always wanted to do something like this, and using two Lightning lowers is a good idea. Using a big enough blower, and low compression pistons, that would be sweet!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
You HAVE to take PICS!

And, after asking for advice, don't come back and say you have a kit to sell

If you're building the V10 just for this, use the Lightning pistons, or some other forged choice, and maybe/definitely a good set of rods. Just keep in mind, the intricate balance of the V10, and try to keep the rods and pistons the same weight as stock - in other words, don't throw away the old pistons and rods

I've always wanted to do something like this, and using two Lightning lowers is a good idea. Using a big enough blower, and low compression pistons, that would be sweet!
I will be running this setup on my stock engine with about 8 lbs of boost. Just looking for a little more low end TQ. I would be happy with 425hp and 525 tq. Power of a diesel with the pur of a gas motor

The reason with going with the lightning stuff is the ability to bolt on a bigger blower. Whipple makes a 3.4L that will bolt right on the lower intake. I will be building a low compression forged 20 over V10. So it will be around a 7 liter V10 with 18 lbs of boost. Of course this side of the project is down the road aways.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
The engines internally are identical except for the pistons. The Lightning version has forged pistons,and the standard 5.4L has hyperutectic pistons. Heads, cams, crank, etc, etc, etc are all the same parts. Of course the top end is different, as is the MAF, and the fuel system components.
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Hyperutetic? is that referring to the carbon content of the piston being greater than .8%?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2010 | 06:58 PM
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Hyperutetic? is that referring to the carbon content of the piston being greater than .8%?
This is actually a good read on that piston type:
Hypereutectic piston - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 12:03 AM
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Hey I want a supercharger too...but a deal, so if you feel like making two let me know... seriously. I slack a bit so just email me... or if any comes across a used kit let me know.
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:51 AM
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Pictures of the factory lightning intake sitting on the V10.


 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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ok, I'm drooling
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:32 PM
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<!--StartFragment --> Interested to see how this turns out
 
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Old Jan 13, 2010 | 03:49 PM
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Is that the Lightning intercooler I see on the floor behind the engine in the last pic? How you gonna handle that?
 
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