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8 litres of antique.
Not really any older than the Modular series...The truck V10 was based on the Viper V10, which was loosely based on the Chrysler LA V8. Almost nothing at all interchanges between any of these engines.
 
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Their truck V10 was NOT based on the Viper. It was based on the 360. They took a 360, and added another two cylinders.
 
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Their truck V10 was NOT based on the Viper. It was based on the 360. They took a 360, and added another two cylinders.
Well yes and no. The bore is the same as the 360. The blocks are a little different. The 8.0 had the oil pump mounted on the front of the crank. The block also extended below the crank too for added strength. The heads shared alot of the same components as the 360 though. This motor was pure genius. 450 ft lbs of torque was pretty inpressive back then. And still very respectable now as far as gassers go. They sounded like a v-6 though. My Ford v-10 sounds like a indy car when u twist it. I love it!
 
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Incorrect Krewat, the truck V10 is a modified Viper V10 recast in Iron. The only thing the Truck V10 has in common with the 5.9 V8 is bore diameter.

For example, the truck V10 uses a crank mounted oil pump, is a deep-skirt block like the Viper V10 (The 5.9 is a short skirt block with a distributor driven pump). Those changes alone should essentially qualify it as an entirely different engine. The engine is also much more advanced in that it uses camshaft/crank position sensors, is distributor-less, etc...
 
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Incorrect Krewat, the truck V10 is a modified Viper V10 recast in Iron. The only thing the Truck V10 has in common with the 5.9 V8 is bore diameter.

For example, the truck V10 uses a crank mounted oil pump, is a deep-skirt block like the Viper V10 (The 5.9 is a short skirt block with a distributor driven pump). Those changes alone should essentially qualify it as an entirely different engine. The engine is also much more advanced in that it uses camshaft/crank position sensors, is distributor-less, etc...
Wrong. The Viper V-10 and the truck V-10 share very little similarities. Block castings are completly different. As are the heads and rotating assembly. Hardly any parts are shared between the two. The viper motor uses a Split pin crank and the truck does not. However Chrysler did use the knowledge they gained from Lamborghini's help with the viper motor when they designed the truck motor. The ford V-10 uses a split pin crank with a balancer which is why the firing intervals are differant than the Dodge. Which is why the dodge V-10 sounds like a V-6 and the ford sounds Badass.
 
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No crap the Viper and Dodge V10 are different, one being cast in aluminum and one being cast in iron. I'm saying the Truck V10 has a lot more in common with the Viper V10 than it does the LA/Magnum 5.9.

You're also wrong on the crank. Both the Viper and Truck V10 use shared-pin cranks, with un-even firing orders. The Ford V10 uses a split-pin crank to even out the firing order, but needs a balance shaft.

Do to the firing order of the Viper V10, what you're basically hearing is two 5-cylinder engines. Very, very different sound than a V6. The Ford V10 with its even firing order has a very different sound.

The Dodge V10 has a very deep, throaty growl because you are essentially hearing two fairly low-revving 5 cylinders. The exhaust pulses on the Ford V10 work together better giving it a high-strung racey exhaust note. I personally prefer the 5 Cylinder sound.
 
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The way it worked was, LA-series was used as the basis for the truck motor, then the Viper motor, but the Viper motor was actually produced first. Leading to the confusion we see here.

Personally, I don't care. 318/360/V10, it's still a MOPAR.
 
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Like my Ford trucks and race a ford truck but a couple years ago had to find a 3/4 ton truck quick and ended up with a 1996 ram 2500 ext.cab lb v-10, and other than mileage it is a total horse. power to pull anything, quiet, heavy duty suspension and axles, and it just keeps pulling no matter what. the wheel bearings go bad often i have heard and i had to replace both of mine too. the mileage isnt a big bother because i dont need to drive mine everyday, when it kicks or i need to replace it i must say i will miss it. the "Beast-hemoth" has served me well.
 
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This motor was pure genius. 450 ft lbs of torque was pretty inpressive back then. And still very respectable now as far as gassers go.
Producing 450 ft lbs of torque out of 8.0l of displacement is nothing special even in the 90s. The engineer could have been semi retarded and still made an 8.0l engine with that much torque. The 8.0l in the trucks didn't sound too bad, but the Vipers sound horrible IMO.
 
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450 lb-ft was not all that much, true, but considering it was at 2400 RPM, that's pretty significant. Peak HP was ~310 @ 4000 RPM.

When you consider a 460 with only 500cc less displacement only made something like 230HP during the same time period, and only 390 lb-ft of torque, it is pretty impressive.
 
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Yes, very impressive compared to just about the worst emissions-choked motor ever made. The 460.

8 liters, 450 ft/lbs, that's 56.25ft/lbs per liter.

The 2-valve V10 at 6.8, even non PI head in 1997, put out 410ft/lbs at 2750RPM (a whole 350RPM more than the Dodge). That's 60.29ftl/bs per liter.
 
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Oh jeeze, not the hp/liter argument.
 
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Oh jeeze, not the hp/liter argument.
I'm just sayin'
 
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never had a ford v10 but can only go by what others who ran them say and the overall consensus i got from most people was "gutless" sorry, but nobody ever said that about my dodge. usually it was cummins guys and they loathe powerstroke,,and all that blah blah blah. alot of people slam the king ranch package too, bang for the buck i'd take any comparative ford any day.
 
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Originally Posted by Krewat View Post
The way it worked was, LA-series was used as the basis for the truck motor, then the Viper motor, but the Viper motor was actually produced first. Leading to the confusion we see here.

Personally, I don't care. 318/360/V10, it's still a MOPAR.
Thank you. The truck V10 was developed first, then the viper engine was spawned from it. It was sent to lambo (which chrysler owned at the time) for them to design the aluminum block, because a cast iron V10 was too heavy for a sports car.
 

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