I am looking at buying an 4x4 1970 f250 for $3500. It has 36'' irok tires and 460 engine. I know the 460 is from a newer 70's f series truck cause the did not put it in there from the factory. But i was wondering if it is a highboy because under my impression aren't all 66-77 f250 highboys? Because the kid said it has 6'' lift kit on it, but i think he is stupid, he dont know anything about it. Also, what size axle comes on the front of it a dana 44 or dana 60? thanks for the help.

 

Rear cab mounts are outside the frame, and divorced transfer case are a couple ways to check. Do a search in this forum for more clues. 460 didn't come in a truck until 78, I think, so it is a transplant. Dana 44 was standard so a Dana 60 is better. The 70 cab & bed may have bolted on to a later 70s frame. If there is a larger than normal gap between the bed and the cab or the rear wheels don't look centered in the wheel wells it may be a cab & bed swap. Reason being, the frame on 73-79 trucks is 3" longer.

 

No 6" lift is made for a highboy, so if its actually lifted 6" he would have had to do something special or just be one of those idiots who calls the factory "4 inch lift" and a 2" lift kit a 6" lift. They make a 4" lift kit with new springs or a 2" add a leaf kit which is just about all you can find as far as lift goes for the highboys. Somethings to look for to make sure its a highboy are:

Divorced transfercase (i beleive it would be an np205)

Long front driveshaft

incab gas tank (gas cap at the top of the cab near the door)

front chassis/crossmember peice under the front bumper (not sure how to describe it, i'm a loss for words).

4"blocks in the rear

dana 60 in the rear. (you usually find 'em with dana 44's or dana 44 HD's in the front but can occassionally find one with a D60 front -low pinnion D60 that is)

Theres other things to look for aswell that i'm sure someone else could fill you in on.

 

ohh yeah, forgot to add, no 390's, 429's or 460's came standard in the highboys so its definately an engine swap.

If you could add some pictures that would be great, sounds to me like it could be a 78-79 if its got 6" of lift and only 36's (the 78-79's came with D60's front and rear i'm pretty sure). When you take a look at it look at the front grill and see if its the highboy or 78-79 style.

 

F Series Trucks:

No 460 4WD's until 1983, and then...only available in F350's.

1973/79 F100/350 460: 2WD only.

The 460 was not available with a manual transmission until 1983.

No Dana 60 front driving axles were factory installed in any 1959/72 F250 = Dana 44 front driving axles only.

High Boy's: 1967/76 F250 4WD / 1977 F250 4WD before serial number Y20,001.

1976 was the first year that Ford offered front disc brakes on F100/250 4WD's.

1973 was the first year that A/T was available as an option with 4WD.

 

Just wondering if you ever get tired of being wrong?

The first year for A/T was '69, on F250 4x4 w/300 cid engine.

1969 F-250 4x4 Cruise-O-Matic Salesman's brochure

 

I'm wrong? I read what the Ford parts catalogs say, then type what I find.

There is no listing in the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog for an A/T in any 4WD.

I read thru the entire A/T section, there is not one part specific to 4WD's listed. There in no application for an A/T with any 4WD truck.

Just because the info is in a sales brochure doesn't mean it's correct. How many 1969/72 F250 4WD's (High Boy's) have you ever seen with an A/T?

I suggest you get a 1964/72 Ford truck parts catalog and look for yourself, before mouthing off.

I've typed over 26,000 posts in three years. Since you seem to be an authority on all my supposed miscues, how many of these posts have wrong info?

I've helped many FTE members by finding obsolete parts for their vehicles.

How many FTE members have you helped with anything, since you've typed EXACTLY SIX posts in FIVE years?

 

Wow...seven edits to that post over a 30 minute period. lol And one of them was to delete another inaccurate piece of information.

Exactly my point! If it's not in your book, then is simply never existed, end of story...right? Well, you've been proven wrong several times there. Remember the debate about the auxiliary fuel tank filler neck location of the '67-'69 trucks vs. the '70-'72 trucks? You swore up and down that any truck with a filler neck above the beltline was either dealer- or owner-installed, and that ALL '67-'72 trucks with a factory auxiliary tank had the filler neck below the beltline. When folks finally proved to you that you were wrong, that just because the '67-'69 parts weren't listed in your catalog it didn't mean they never existed, you finally backed off that claim.

Special order items, which the C-O-M transmission was in this case, are typically not going to be listed in the parts books under an application for which it's not regularly available (hence the term "special order"), because they'd have been produced in very small numbers only as specifically requested, and ONLY if the special-order consisted of a new part, one that wasn't available anywhere else for any other application. To simplify, only REGULAR production options would be listed in the MPC for a specific application, NOT special-order items that was already available (and listed) for a different application. It was easy enough, for example, to special-order a paint color that was not part of the regularly-available options, but just because that specific color isn't listed with the regularly available color options doesn't mean it wasn't ever used. And just because someone ordered that special color, it doesn't mean Ford was going to include it in that list of regularly-available options.

You think maybe that's because the transmission isn't 4WD specific? As long as the transmission is going into a truck with a divorced transfer case, there's nothing different from a car-type transmission. The only thing that might be different would be the intermediate shaft between the transmission and transfer case...and because that driveshaft is actually two pieces, it can be easily assembled from pre-existing parts, already designated for other applications.

True. Off the top of my head I can think of several examples of items pictured in sales catalogs/brochures that never made it to production, or were simply an artist's mistaken rendering. But by the same token, just because it's not in the your '75 Final Issue MPC doesn't mean it never existed either. Or just because it's LISTED in the MPC doesn't mean it actually existed either. For just one example (of many), I'll bet with a little looking you can find a listing for a front driveshaft for a '69 F250 4WD with a front Dana 60, but as I'm sure you're aware, Ford didn't offer that for nearly another decade. (I'd be happy to supply you with that PN if you have trouble finding it.)

Is that logical thinking...to say that just because I haven't seen something personally then it doesn't exist?

What makes you think I don't have them? I've got them. Not only the '75 Final Issue, but the individual year truck parts books, which contained a great many parts that aren't included in the '75 edition because by that time they were discontinued and considered obsolete, as I'm sure you know.

I don't have that much time...I have a life! *sheesh* I'd be here for days! (One example was mentioned above anyway.)

Yes you have....and that's something you do very well at. Cudos to you! And IMO it's probably something you might consider concentrating on, instead of posting inaccurate, incomplete or misleading information as often as you do and stating it as unequivocal fact.

Under this nick? Very few. This one's a backup, which I'm sure won't last long after this post. I actually help out quite a bit. But like the old saying goes, wise men talk when they have something to say, and fools say something just to hear themselves talk...or something to that affect. Quantity doesn't necessarily equate quality.