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Hmm, I would say it isn't a relative comparison then. I've found that many pads are that way unfortunately. The wagners work great on some vehicles, and terrible on others. Most of my experience in recent years is with wagner, bendix, napa, and the PF. I tend not to buy pads mail order for some reason, so haven't tried any hawk or ebc offerings.
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Brake pads are all about temerature. If you are not towing then a pad that is designed to work in high temps will never stop well. The same as if you are towing on a pad that is designed to work at cooler temps regular street go get a 6 pack from the store driving.
In my race car I have pads to autocross (low temp around 250-500 degree). and pads for race track upwards of 600-1000 degrees.
So bottom line get a pad designed to do the job you intend. My new to me truck has some crappy pads that are low dust and just eating the crap out of the rotors. When it's brake time it gets new rotors and probably Hawk pads with high cold friction coefficent that can hande moderate temps as my car and trailer are not considered big by F250 PSD standards.
In my race car I have pads to autocross (low temp around 250-500 degree). and pads for race track upwards of 600-1000 degrees.
So bottom line get a pad designed to do the job you intend. My new to me truck has some crappy pads that are low dust and just eating the crap out of the rotors. When it's brake time it gets new rotors and probably Hawk pads with high cold friction coefficent that can hande moderate temps as my car and trailer are not considered big by F250 PSD standards.
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Wow -- very informative thread! I never considered that pads were made to work better at different heat ranges. So for me, I never tow (or at least RARELY), but I need to be able to stop quick sometimes. I use my truck more as a daily driver, but sometimes push it hard, and obviously that means I need to stop hard too. What's my best option here?
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http://www.ebcbrakes.com/yellowstuffinfo.html
They've managed to figure out how to get a race pad to work very well on the street even when cold and on the first stop. And they still continue to get better as they warm.
I use these on my Jeep, my Explorer and the truck, and on my fox Mustang. They always ended up on top whether towing, off-road, or just mall-crawling. The only downside is that they will make more dust over a ceramic pad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product
They've managed to figure out how to get a race pad to work very well on the street even when cold and on the first stop. And they still continue to get better as they warm.
I use these on my Jeep, my Explorer and the truck, and on my fox Mustang. They always ended up on top whether towing, off-road, or just mall-crawling. The only downside is that they will make more dust over a ceramic pad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product
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http://www.ebcbrakes.com/yellowstuffinfo.html
They've managed to figure out how to get a race pad to work very well on the street even when cold and on the first stop. And they still continue to get better as they warm.
I use these on my Jeep, my Explorer and the truck, and on my fox Mustang. They always ended up on top whether towing, off-road, or just mall-crawling. The only downside is that they will make more dust over a ceramic pad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product
They've managed to figure out how to get a race pad to work very well on the street even when cold and on the first stop. And they still continue to get better as they warm.
I use these on my Jeep, my Explorer and the truck, and on my fox Mustang. They always ended up on top whether towing, off-road, or just mall-crawling. The only downside is that they will make more dust over a ceramic pad.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._ya_oh_product
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Most pads that dust big are easy on rotors. Something has to wear, better it be the pad than the rotor. Go search Carbotech brake pads. they have a chart or pad compounds and designed heat ranges. Everything is a compromise even EBC However they seemed to crack the cold friction coefficent nut and still remain stable in the mid range temps. However they still make several heat ranges.
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They are harder on the rotors than a ceramic pad, or a cheap semi-metallic. No harder than the Hawks or PF pads. But they're not going to wipe out your rotor in 10,000 miles either. It's a compromise, something has to wear faster than the other. I fight for as much stopping power as I can get so to me it's worth it. Not trying to convince anybody, just another avenue to consider.
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Wheel Cleaner. Ha ha. I painted the wheels on my race car black. The Carbo techs and porterfields turn the wheels black when I take the pads out of the box.
Brakes get hot enough to turn the rotors blue in 30 minute race. pyrometer reads 1000 degrees.
Brakes get hot enough to turn the rotors blue in 30 minute race. pyrometer reads 1000 degrees.
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Most pads that dust big are easy on rotors. Something has to wear, better it be the pad than the rotor. Go search Carbotech brake pads. they have a chart or pad compounds and designed heat ranges. Everything is a compromise even EBC However they seemed to crack the cold friction coefficent nut and still remain stable in the mid range temps. However they still make several heat ranges.
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Okay, digging up an old post...
I went ahead and got the Power Slot Cryo'ed Rotors & Hawk LTS pads. Each front rotor was $50 more for my 2WD!! Didn't get the rear pads yet -- I'll pick those up later. The place Barry recommended was the best price I could find too. UltimateTruck.com, and I was out the door for ~$447 shipped.
Thanks for the link Barry!!
I went ahead and got the Power Slot Cryo'ed Rotors & Hawk LTS pads. Each front rotor was $50 more for my 2WD!! Didn't get the rear pads yet -- I'll pick those up later. The place Barry recommended was the best price I could find too. UltimateTruck.com, and I was out the door for ~$447 shipped.
Thanks for the link Barry!!
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